How to use this page[edit] What not to propose for discussion here[edit] The majority of deletion and merger proposals concerning pages in the template namespace should be listed on this page. However, there are a few exceptions: Stub templates Stub templates and categories should be listed at Categories for discussion, as these templates are merely containers for their categories, unless the stub template does not come with a category and is being nominated by itself. Userboxes Userboxes should be listed at Miscellany for deletion, regardless of the namespace in which they reside. Speedy deletion candidates If the template clearly satisfies a "general" or "template" criterion for speedy deletion, tag it with a speedy deletion template. For example, if you wrote the template and request its deletion, tag it with {{Db-author}}. If it is an unused, hardcoded instance or duplication of another template, tag it with {{Db-t3|~~~~~|name of other template}}. 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Add one of the following codes to the top of the template page: For deletion: {{subst:tfd}} For deletion of a sidebar or infobox template: {{subst:tfd|type=sidebar}} For deletion of an inline template: {{subst:tfd|type=inline}} For merging: {{subst:tfm|name of other template}} For merging an inline template: {{subst:tfm|type=inline|name of other template}} Other values for |type= are available, see Template:Template for discussion#Display on articles If the template nominated is inline, do not add a newline between the Tfd notice and the code of the template. If the template to be nominated for deletion is protected, make a request for the Tfd tag to be added, by posting on the template's talk page and using the {{editprotected}} template to catch the attention of administrators. For templates designed to be substituted, add <noinclude>...</noinclude> around the Tfd notice to prevent it from being substituted alongside the template. Do not mark the edit as minor. Use an edit summary like Nominated for deletion; see [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion#Template:name of template]] or Nominated for merging; see [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion#Template:name of template]]. Before saving your edit, preview your edit to ensure the Tfd message is displayed properly. Multiple templates: If you are nominating multiple related templates, choose a meaningful title for the discussion (like "American films by decade templates"). Tag every template with {{subst:tfd|heading=discussion title}} or {{subst:tfm|name of other template|heading=discussion title}} instead of the versions given above, replacing discussion title with the title you chose (but still not changing the PAGENAME code). Note that TTObot is available to tag templates en masse if you do not wish to do it manually. 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Also, consider adding any templates you nominate to your watchlist. This will help ensure that your nomination tag is not mistakenly or deliberately removed. Twinkle[edit] Twinkle is a convenient tool that can perform many of the functions of notification automatically. However, at present, it does not notify the creator of the other template in the case of a merger, so this step has to be performed manually. Twinkle also does not notify WikiProjects, although many of them have automatic alerts. It is helpful to notify any interested WikiProjects that don't receive alerts, but this has to be done manually.


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Contents 1 How to use this page 1.1 What not to propose for discussion here 1.2 Reasons to delete a template 1.3 Listing a template 1.4 After nominating: Notify interested projects and editors 1.5 Twinkle 2 Discussion 3 Current discussions 3.1 February 24 3.1.1 Template:Footer Olympic Champions Men's mass start 3.1.2 Template:Tamil folklore 3.2 February 23 3.2.1 Template:Francis James Child 3.2.2 Template:Verify source 3.2.3 Template:Editnotices/Page/Enter your new article name here 3.2.4 Template:Infobox national volleyball team U19/18 3.2.5 Template:Battleground video games 3.2.6 Template:MacOS derivations 3.2.7 Template:Imran Khan 3.2.8 Template:Kind of Blue 3.3 February 22 3.3.1 Template:StarStruck 3.3.2 Template:Airline codes page/top 3.3.3 NFL All-Pro Team navboxes 3.3.4 Template:Infobox lunar eclipse 3.3.5 Template:2018 UPSL Southeast standings 3.3.6 Template:Use Jamaican English 3.3.7 Timeline of Microsoft Office 3.3.8 Template:Mexican brands 3.3.9 Template:NSWMPs 3.3.10 Template:Wenshan Line (Taipei Metro) RDT 3.4 February 21 3.4.1 Template:Academy of Magical Arts Comedy Magician of the Year 3.4.2 Template:Abkhazian Railway 3.4.3 Template:Thailand at the 2010 Summer Youth Olympics 3.4.4 Template:Micronesian political parties 3.4.5 Template:Kiryat Motzkin – Haifa line 3.4.6 Template:Salvador Mejía Alejandre 3.4.7 Template:Country data Odessa People's Republic 3.4.8 Template:Titled noble families in the Kingdom of Hungary 3.5 February 20 3.6 February 19 3.6.1 Template:AFLLadderByesLine 3.6.2 Template:WikiProject Mammals/Bats Task Force 3.6.3 Template:!Promo 3.6.4 Template:!Cite 3.6.5 Template:Distinguish2 3.7 February 18 3.7.1 Template:Ethiopia call-ups (past 12 months) 3.7.2 Template:Homophone 3.7.3 Template:Redirect3 and Template:About2 3.7.4 Template:No Limit Forever Records 3.8 February 17 3.8.1 Template:8TeamBracket-2Legs 3.8.2 Template:Huskies of Honor navbox 3.8.3 Template:University of Florida Athletic Hall of Fame 3.8.4 Template:Italian American Sports Hall of Fame 3.8.5 Template:National Jewish Sports Hall of Fame 3.8.6 Template:PFW Golden Toe Award 3.8.7 Template:NFL Alumni Career Achievement Award 3.8.8 Template:Metro Dagupan 4 Old discussions 4.1 February 16 4.1.1 Template:1966–67 AAWU Conference men's basketball 4.1.2 Template:1966–67 Pacific Coast Conference men's basketball standings 4.1.3 Template:1986–87 Pacific 10 Conference men's basketball standings 4.1.4 Template:Atlanta United 2 4.1.5 Template:Dead to Fall 4.1.6 Template:Editnotices/Page/Metro Dagupan 4.1.7 Template:Editnotices/Page/Pokémon X and Y 4.1.8 Template:Lakes of Kenai National Wildlife 4.1.9 Template:Julius Evola 4.1.10 Template:USL Premier Development League Southwest Division stadiums 4.1.11 Template:New Zealand Squad 2006 ICC Champions Trophy 4.2 February 15 4.2.1 Template:6 Hours of Circuit of Fuji 4.2.2 Template:2017–18 Catholic Conference Hockey standings 4.2.3 Template:2003 World Rally Championship season 4.2.4 Template:2002 World Rally Championship season 4.2.5 Template:Four Great Classical Novels Television Series 4.2.6 NC license templates 4.2.7 Template:LUMS 4.2.8 Template:Monastic houses of England 4.2.9 Template:2018 UPSL Wild West standings 4.3 February 6 4.3.1 Template:French Championships (tennis) 4.3.2 Template:French Open tournaments 4.3.3 Template:Late ottoman genocides 4.3.4 Inflation-related templates that were initially created by mistake 4.3.5 Template:Templarius Studios 4.3.6 Template:Ray series 5 Completed discussions 5.1 Closing discussions 5.2 To review 5.3 To merge 5.3.1 Arts 5.3.2 Geography, politics and governance 5.3.3 Religion 5.3.4 Sports 5.3.5 Transport 5.3.6 Other 5.3.7 Meta 5.4 To convert 5.5 To substitute 5.6 To orphan 5.7 Ready for deletion 6 Archive and Indices


Current discussions[edit] February 24[edit] Template:Footer Olympic Champions Men's mass start[edit] Template:Footer Olympic Champions Men's mass start (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Per WP:NAVBOX, navboxes exist for the purpose of facilitating navigation. A navbox with one article in its scope doesn't facilitate that. 142.161.81.20 (talk) 04:13, 24 February 2018 (UTC) Template:Tamil folklore[edit] Template:Tamil folklore (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Only used in a single article, topics are only loosely related. Izno (talk) 02:53, 24 February 2018 (UTC) February 23[edit] Template:Francis James Child[edit] Template:Francis James Child (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Huge, unwieldy navbox that will only grow as missing articles are created. List of Child Ballads and Category:Child Ballads are more usable and maintainable. Ibadibam (talk) 23:40, 23 February 2018 (UTC) Template:Verify source[edit] Template:Verify source (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) The difference between this and {{citation needed}} appears to be trifling at the end scenario. Although the documentation explains the template's difference from citation needed, on the article they are saying and asking the same thing: "This information is unverified -- can you verify it." Redirect this template to CN. !dave 21:59, 23 February 2018 (UTC) Oppose. {{cn}} is for statements that do not have a source. {{vs}} is for statements that do have a source, but where there is doubt about the extent to which they're supported by it. A cn tag right after a reference would be at best confusing. – Uanfala (talk) 01:33, 24 February 2018 (UTC) Oppose verify source is acceptable when there is a reference cited, however the validity of the source is in question. Cocoaguy ここがいい 03:41, 24 February 2018 (UTC) Keep. I think Dave you misunderstood these templates. Because even your nomination statement explains their difference (which is of course, vital). {{cn}} is used where there's no citation at all, for example: "Wikipedia is reliable source" [citation needed]. Whilst {{vs}} is used where there's citation but someone is doubting it and cannot access it, especially out-of print books, paywalled and old magazines or papers which can only be verified by special access. Example: "Wikipedia is a completely unreliable source" [1][verification needed]. –Ammarpad (talk) 07:07, 24 February 2018 (UTC) Weak keep I find {{dubious}} much more useful for generating discussion, but on low traffic articles this template is probably fine. -- Kendrick7talk 08:31, 24 February 2018 (UTC) Keep. I've just added {{verify source}} to an article in which I think that a statement may be factually incorrect, and the citations are printed ones. That's a different use from either {{citation needed}} or {{dubious}}. Narky Blert (talk) 11:51, 24 February 2018 (UTC) Template:Editnotices/Page/Enter your new article name here[edit] Template:Editnotices/Page/Enter your new article name here (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) The new Article Wizard does not produce the option for pages to be created directly in mainspace or in Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/ space. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 20:25, 23 February 2018 (UTC) Comment This will need to be removed from Template:No article text if it is deleted. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 20:30, 23 February 2018 (UTC) Template:Infobox national volleyball team U19/18[edit] Template:Infobox national volleyball team U19/18 (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:Infobox national volleyball team U21/20 (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:Infobox national volleyball team U23 (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) unnecessary fork of template:infobox national volleyball team, I have added a type parameter to template:infobox national volleyball team so this is no longer needed. Frietjes (talk) 17:57, 23 February 2018 (UTC) Template:Battleground video games[edit] Template:Battleground video games (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Navbox which does not meet the soft requirement at WP:NENAN. While the series seems extensive, the majority of the articles on the games which comprise it were merged to the series article some time ago. Izno (talk) 15:11, 23 February 2018 (UTC) Template:MacOS derivations[edit] Template:MacOS derivations (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) The purpose of a navbox is to help people navigate Wikipedia but we already have a surplus of navboxes for this topic: {{Apple Inc. operating systems}}, {{Mac OS}}, {{macOS}}, {{iOS}} and {{Apple software}}. However, I strongly believe this navbox is meant to advertise a certain opinion while evading verifiability requirement. Codename Lisa (talk) 06:41, 13 February 2018 (UTC) Keep but as the creator of the template I'm horribly biased, so I am open to this discussion. The intent of this template is to have all the operating systems that were derived from NeXTSTEP at Apple Inc. in one straightforward table. This began with Mac OS X (later OS X and currently macOS) and Mac OS X Server and was subsequently expanded to the OS for the original Apple TV (initially from Mac OS X 10.4, later iOS 4), iPhone OS (later iOS), watchOS (from iOS 8), tvOS (replacing the previous Apple TV OS, based on iOS 9), and now finally audioOS (based on iOS 11). With the exception of audioOS, which is brand new (and I'm working on it), all of these links between the various operating systems are verifiable and have sources on their respective pages, particularly the version history pages/sections. I'm not sure what Codename Lisa means by advertising an opinion. The template is brand new and probably needs some changes, but I don't think deletion is the solution. Regarding the similar navboxes mentioned above, in my opinion: {{Mac OS}} is not relevant at all as it relates to the original Mac OS, prior to Mac OS X. {{macOS}} is mostly related to the various components of the OS and is large and unwieldy. {{Apple software}} is also mostly related to other software that Apple makes and is large and unwieldy. {{Apple Inc. operating systems}} is probably the closest to this template, but it has a lot of additional information and other operating systems that are older and not relevant to any modern Apple platform, furthermore the common links between and among Apple's modern operating systems is completely obscured. {{iOS}} has more of an emphasis on hardware and does not include anything about the roots of iOS, furthermore it would not be appropriate to have information about other operating systems in this template such as tvOS, watchOS, or audioOS even though they have a common link. If there is a way this template can be improved or even merged into an existing template without getting lost, I'd be happy to pursue that, but I don't think deletion is the answer (at least right now). ~ PaulT+/C 14:08, 13 February 2018 (UTC) (P.S. My apologies if I'm not doing this correctly. I haven't participated in a deletion discussion in some time.) Hello, Psantora. And welcome to Templates for Discussion. As its name says, we decide the fate of the templates here and it is not exclusively a venue for deletion. I am open to other outcomes. The problems we need to solve are: Your creation of this template, regardless of whatever shortcoming you have seen in other templates, has aggrevated the already severe issue of link bombardment. Your navbox chiefly consistitutes non-navigational items. Every single link you have placed between <small>...</small> tags is redundant as they don't go to unique articles. So are links for "audioOS" and "audioOS 11". This template presents information in way that clearly conflicts with how the corresponding articles explain them. You have presented "Mac OS X", "OS X" and "macOS" as different operating systems instead of new names for the same thing. You have done the same thing with "iPhone OS" and "iOS", "Apple TV OS" and "tvOS", and "Mac OS X Server", "OS X Server" and "macOS Server". And you didn't stop there. You have explicitly claimed that "iOS" is something based on "iPhone OS". There are many "based on" claims, for which I suspect you have no evidence other that visual similarity. All of these claims require a source and the contradiction must be addressed. A navbox isn't supposed to create new disputes. I can clearly see subjective bias. For example, in "other operating systems that are older and not relevant to any modern Apple platform", I would question the meaning of "modern", has it not been for the fact that Wikipedia, an encyclopedia, actually cherishes history while you are trying to ostrachize it. If we solve all these problems and remove all these emblishments, we end up with something slightly less comprehensive than {{Apple Inc. operating systems}}. Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 14:33, 13 February 2018 (UTC) Ok, there is a lot to cover here. I'll start with the subjectivity. I was referring to what is written in the template not being opinion- of course my comments here have a point of view. Isn't the point of a discussion here to be convincing and to make a directed point to change someone else's mind? Regardless, I disagree with the point. I am not trying to ostracize history, in fact the opposite and I'm not sure how you jumped to that conclusion. Speaking of subjectivity, how would you determine what link bombardment is if not to make a subjective opinion about what is too many links? My intent was to make a more focused template on those distinct operating systems that have been created by Apple that were derived from NeXTSTEP. The current templates either do not have this detail or include way more information and other, unrelated operating systems that have no relevance to NeXTSTEP. I'm not saying that they don't belong on Wikipedia, just not in this template. How does that translate to ostracizing history? Regarding the "non-navigational" items, each of those server links in theory could have a full Wikipedia article about them. I understand that is not likely to happen though and it might be better to remove them. audioOS on the other hand is brand new and there will (eventually?) be a separate article about it similar to tvOS and watchOS. macOS was originally branded as Mac OS X, then OS X, and finally the current macOS. (The same is true for the server.) The template reflects this, why is this wrong? The same is true of the original iPhone operating system. It was originally "based" on "OS X" (which was still branded as "Mac OS X" at the time, a notable difference) and didn't have an official name until early 2008, almost a year after the phone was released. The name "iPhone OS" was given with the release of the SDK just before iPhone OS 2 was released. It wasn't renamed iOS until 2010. Is it false to say that iOS 4 was based on iPhone OS 3? Would it be better to say "continued from iPhone OS 3" instead? (I made this change.) Apple TV's operating systems are completely different. The first 3 versions of the OS ran on X86 hardware, the next 4 were an embedded variant of iOS running on ARM that didn't allow for 3rd party development, and then finally a new OS allowing for official development support with a full SDK was released with tvOS. This is why they are separated in the template and this is all backed up by information present in their links. Perhaps it would be better if some other voices chimed in on this? ~ PaulT+/C 15:44, 13 February 2018 (UTC) Opinion and subjectivity in editorial decisions are allowed; but not in contents. Editorial decisions are bound by the consensus; but contents are subject to WP:NPOV, WP:RS and deriving policies. For my part, I was discussing WP:NAVBOX. I hope that clears everything. —Codename Lisa (talk) 11:10, 14 February 2018 (UTC) Keep: I believe this has significant value, however, it could perhaps due with being cleaned up and renamed something along the lines of "Darwin OS derivations" or some such. 17.226.15.50 (talk) 17:36, 15 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ Winged BladesGodric 08:25, 23 February 2018 (UTC) Template:Imran Khan[edit] Template:Imran Khan (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) NAVBOX purpose is to help user move from one article to another. This temp isn't useful (no article is actually his work) and comes under WP:TCREEP. Not every article needs NAVBOX and we can use 'See also' section for one or two article not NAVBOX. Störm (talk) 08:45, 12 February 2018 (UTC) weak keep, but trim. I see several on-topic links here: Imran Khan, List of international cricket five-wicket hauls by Imran Khan, List of awards and honours received by Imran Khan, Family of Imran Khan, Pakistan: A Personal History, and possibly Shaukat Khanum Memorial Cancer Hospital & Research Centre, and related links Reham Khan, Jemima Goldsmith. but, the rest should be removed. Frietjes (talk) 00:38, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Primefac (talk) 00:40, 23 February 2018 (UTC) Template:Kind of Blue[edit] Template:Kind of Blue (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Each song already has a link to other songs on the album, and the Kind of Blue article has a song list. Squandermania (talk) 18:07, 12 February 2018 (UTC) weak keep, seems no worse than any of the others in the album navigational boxes category. I could see deleting these, if there is wider consensus that album-centric navigational boxes are not needed. Frietjes (talk) 00:32, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Primefac (talk) 00:40, 23 February 2018 (UTC) February 22[edit] Template:StarStruck[edit] Template:StarStruck (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Unused AussieLegend (✉) 22:13, 22 February 2018 (UTC) I can see that this has been depopulated. Can I know why? –HTD 02:33, 23 February 2018 (UTC) As was explained in this edit summary a lot of the entries were removed per WP:PERFNAV. Others were removed because there should only be one link to each article and one was text with no link, which serves no purpose in a box meant to enable navigation between related articles. --AussieLegend (✉) 03:48, 23 February 2018 (UTC) WP:PERFNAV doesn't mean much to me as that page is rather long. This navbox previously had plenty of links, and just like the pages were it is linked today, is now practically decimated. The season articles don't even use this navbox. What gives? Can't the season articles use this navbox any more? How about previous finalists' articles? What makes this different, than say, {{American Idol}}? –HTD 12:22, 23 February 2018 (UTC) WP:PERFNAV, which is only 68 words long, essentially says not to include the names of actors/actresses, comedians, television/radio presenters, writers, composers, etc in navboxes. What makes this template different to the American Idol navbox is that this template complies with WP:PERFNAV, while {{American Idol}} does not. It needs to be pruned. --AussieLegend (✉) 14:36, 23 February 2018 (UTC) Template:Airline codes page/top[edit] Template:Airline codes page/top (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:Airline codes page/bottom (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) No reason for this text to be stored in a template instead of directly in List of airline codes, where the other articles can transclude it with {{#section-h:List of airline codes}}. The {{Airline codes page/bottom}} template has no direct #section-h match, but still there no reason is should be stored in a template rather than transcluded using WP:LST from the main article. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 22:10, 22 February 2018 (UTC) In other words, this is exactly the same situation as Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2017 August 29#Template:Passp-restr and Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2016 October 30#"List of killings" templates without significant parameters {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 22:23, 22 February 2018 (UTC) NFL All-Pro Team navboxes[edit] Template:1970 All-Pro Team (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:1971 All-Pro Team (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:1972 All-Pro Team (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:1973 All-Pro Team (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:1974 All-Pro Team (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:1975 All-Pro Team (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:1976 All-Pro Team (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:1977 All-Pro Team (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:1978 All-Pro Team (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:1979 All-Pro Team (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:1980 All-Pro Team (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:1981 All-Pro Team (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:1982 All-Pro Team (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:1983 All-Pro Team (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:1984 All-Pro Team (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:1985 All-Pro Team (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:1986 All-Pro Team (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:1987 All-Pro Team (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:1988 All-Pro Team (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:1989 All-Pro Team (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:1990 All-Pro Team (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:1991 All-Pro Team (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:1996 All-Pro Team (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:2000 All-Pro Team (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:2001 All-Pro Team (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:2002 All-Pro Team (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:2003 All-Pro Team (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:2004 All-Pro Team (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:2005 All-Pro Team (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:2006 All-Pro Team (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:2007 All-Pro Team (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:2008 All-Pro Team (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:2009 All-Pro Team (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:2010 All-Pro Team (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:2011 All-Pro Team (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:2012 All-Pro Team (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:2013 All-Pro Team (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:2014 All-Pro Team (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:2015 All-Pro Team (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:2016 All-Pro Team (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:2017 All-Pro Team (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) These annual navboxes for All-Pro picks cause clutter and are WP:TCREEP. See examples like Ray Lewis or Peyton Manning. It becomes unwieldy when accomplished players start accumulating them each year. We already have enough navboxes from annual Super Bowl champs (Category:Super Bowl navigational boxes) and annual league award winners (Category:National Football League award navigational boxes). While it's notable how many times a player has been named All-Pro in their career, it's not notable enough for a navbox to call out the other honorees that year. Also, we don't currently limit All-Pro's listed in infoboxes to the Associated Press (AP) selector, but these navboxes only list the AP selections. Let's not invite navboxes for other All-Pro selectors or the annual Pro Bowl too.—Bagumba (talk) 10:10, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Delete per nom. Jerry Rice would have 10 of these navboxes. Ten. Lizard (talk) 11:02, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Delete per nomination. There are already multiple navboxes on most players' pages and we certainly do not need more of them due to WP:TCREEP. – Sabbatino (talk) 11:21, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Delete - yearly award navboxes for professionals are overkill as there is no limit to how many times a person can win an award. Rikster2 (talk) 11:34, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Delete per nominator....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 14:41, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Delete per everybody else.--Yankees10 17:29, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Delete per nom. Even though I put all the time and effort into half of them, I understand how they aren’t really needed and cause clutter to players like Peyton Manning. They need to go RoyalsLife 04:35, 23 February 2018 (UTC) Template:Infobox lunar eclipse[edit] Template:Infobox lunar eclipse (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Orphan template. B dash (talk) 04:53, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Please keep. I've not worked on lunar eclipses for a while, but this stat table will be useful in the future for a more general solution for stats on each event. Tom Ruen (talk) 06:00, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Tom Ruen, is the idea to create something like Template:Infobox solar eclipse for lunar eclipses? if so, I am happy to help. Frietjes (talk) 13:35, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Yes, definitely. I've just not got around to looking to do this. Tom Ruen (talk) 00:39, 23 February 2018 (UTC) Tom Ruen, okay, I started module:Lunar eclipse, but still need to construct the data modules. Frietjes (talk) 19:53, 23 February 2018 (UTC) Template:2018 UPSL Southeast standings[edit] Template:2018 UPSL Midwest – West standings (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:2018 UPSL Southeast standings (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:2018 UPSL Colorado – Pro Premier standings (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:2018 UPSL Colorado – Championship standings (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:2018 UPSL Midwest – North standings (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:2018 UPSL Midwest – East standings (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:2018 UPSL Midwest – Central standings (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Article was deleted per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2018 UPSL season. So no need. Hhhhhkohhhhh (talk) 01:33, 12 February 2018 (UTC) Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Hhhhhkohhhhh (talk) 07:40, 12 February 2018 (UTC) Delete per nominator....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 11:33, 12 February 2018 (UTC) Delete - not needed. GiantSnowman 13:39, 12 February 2018 (UTC) Comment That article is currently undergoing a deletion review. This template should not be deleted until the DRV is complete. Smartyllama (talk) 17:27, 14 February 2018 (UTC) Keep per outcome of the deletion review. Jay eyem (talk) 20:16, 21 February 2018 (UTC) merge with the article, and delete, single use template. Frietjes (talk) 00:30, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Please note - the page has been undeleted, and thus we've effectively restarted the discussion. I have also merged all of the discussions together because the original listings had literally the same votes in the same order by the same people. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Primefac (talk) 03:17, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Keep or subst then delete It is a useful table now. Hhhhhkohhhhh (talk) 04:28, 22 February 2018 (UTC) It should be like Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2018 February 15. So I think it should keep. Hhhhhkohhhhh (talk) 11:01, 23 February 2018 (UTC) Keep or subst then delete It adds value and tracing — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.172.134.228 (talk) 16:56, 22 February 2018 (UTC) — 205.172.134.228 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. Hhhhhkohhhhh (talk) 07:31, 23 February 2018 (UTC) Template:Use Jamaican English[edit] Template:Use Jamaican English (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:Use British English (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Propose merging Template:Use Jamaican English with Template:Use British English. Jamaican English is a continuum between Jamaican Standard English (which uses British spelling and grammar, but different pronunciation) and Jamaican Patois (which is rarely written and not appropriate for a work intended to be understandable by most English readers). Articles related to Jamaica should use Jamaican Standard English/British English spelling. Since they are the same thing (as far as spelling), and this template is about which type of spelling should be used, the {{Use Jamaican English}} template should be merged into the {{Use British English}} template. Kaldari (talk) 07:02, 11 February 2018 (UTC) Comment - while Jamaican English spellings and grammar may be identical to UK, there remains an issue of vocabulary and wording choices (see potential examples in Jamaican English#Vocabulary). If the overall vocabulary differences are trivial, merging the template would seem warranted. Otherwise, it may indicate that certain UK wording choices are not necessarily appropriate. Dl2000 (talk) 04:43, 15 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Primefac (talk) 02:04, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Oppose per DL2k - Although Jamaican is similar to English in terms of spelling etc it's still a different language and so IMHO it deserves its own entity. –Davey2010Talk 22:35, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Timeline of Microsoft Office[edit] Template:Timeline of Microsoft Office for Windows  (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:Timeline of Microsoft Office for Mac  (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) These contents-only templates are used in one article only. I don't see why their content should not be on that article, where any editor can edit them. I propose we substitute and delete them. Codename Lisa (talk) 13:23, 11 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Primefac (talk) 02:04, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Subst and delete per nom. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 03:40, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Template:Mexican brands[edit] Template:Mexican brands (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Does not pass WP:LISTN, vague scope is rife for promotional misuse. 1292simon (talk) 01:21, 22 February 2018 (UTC) It's not a list. --Michig (talk) 07:09, 22 February 2018 (UTC) delete, better to navigate with Category:Mexican brands and List of Mexican brands, to avoid excessive cross-linking of articles. Frietjes (talk) 13:37, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Template:NSWMPs[edit] Template:NSWMPs (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) unused; most likely replaced by other succession templates Frietjes (talk) 00:25, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Template:Wenshan Line (Taipei Metro) RDT[edit] Template:Wenshan Line (Taipei Metro) RDT (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) unused; probably because it duplicates the map in Template:Wenhu Line (Taipei Metro) RDT Frietjes (talk) 00:15, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Delete per nominator....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 15:44, 22 February 2018 (UTC) February 21[edit] Template:Academy of Magical Arts Comedy Magician of the Year[edit] Template:Academy of Magical Arts Comedy Magician of the Year (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:Academy of Magical Arts Bar Magician of the Year (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) unused; and the notability of this award is not clear since there is no parent article listing the award winners Frietjes (talk) 22:33, 21 February 2018 (UTC) Template:Abkhazian Railway[edit] Template:Abkhazian Railway (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) unused and generally duplicates Template:Adler-Sukhumi railway line Frietjes (talk) 22:31, 21 February 2018 (UTC) Delete--Ⴂ. ႡႠႪႠႾႠႻႤ★ 10:14, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Template:Thailand at the 2010 Summer Youth Olympics[edit] Template:Thailand at the 2010 Summer Youth Olympics (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:Thailand at the 2014 Summer Youth Olympics (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) as far as I can tell, no other country has a navbox listing all the participants at the youth Olympics, which is excessive. if anyone wants to see the list, they can navigate to Thailand at the 2010 Summer Youth Olympics and Thailand at the 2014 Summer Youth Olympics, and note that the medallists are already listed in Template:Youth Olympic medalists for Thailand as well. Frietjes (talk) 13:39, 21 February 2018 (UTC) Template:Micronesian political parties[edit] Template:Micronesian political parties (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) "There are no political parties in Micronesia." Provides no useful navigation between topics directly related to the topic. Links in the header and footer are tangential only. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 11:48, 21 February 2018 (UTC) Template:Kiryat Motzkin – Haifa line[edit] Template:Kiryat Motzkin – Haifa line (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) unused; still no evidence that the route exists per the source at the foot of the routemap [1] Frietjes (talk) 18:05, 12 February 2018 (UTC) Keep. It's referenced from Talk:Lev HaMifratz railway station and Talk:Haifa Bat Galim railway station. Both of those articles are stubs, so apparently there's some intention to use it at a future date. Also, the link at the bottom is a link to put the route into context in the network, not a reference. (Besides, it's a suburban commuter route, not an intercity line, so why should it be on the map of intercity routes?) And finally, Frietjes nominated this template for deletetion less than 60 days ago where the decision was to keep, supported by a deletion review. The nominator should have relisted at the time if they didn't agree with the original decision, they should have relisted at the time. Useddenim (talk) 11:37, 14 February 2018 (UTC) Useddenim, please provide a link to a reliable external source showing that the line exists. there is still no evidence that the route exists per the source at the foot of the routemap [2]. Frietjes (talk) 14:52, 14 February 2018 (UTC) Delete, appears to be either a hoax, the line no longer exists, or is simply not notable enough to be put on the maps. In any case, we don't need a map for it. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 22:09, 16 February 2018 (UTC) @Frietjes: How many times do I have to explain that it's not a reference, but a link to key the route's location within the network? Useddenim (talk) 11:44, 17 February 2018 (UTC) the fact that you are unable to provide a reference speaks volumes. Frietjes (talk) 14:16, 17 February 2018 (UTC) @Plastikspork: That's a harsh and prejudiced interpretation. I have asked Image of me (the template's creator) to give us the origin of the route. Useddenim (talk) 11:44, 17 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Nihlus 00:18, 21 February 2018 (UTC) Template:Salvador Mejía Alejandre[edit] Template:Salvador Mejía Alejandre (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) TV producer is not primary creator per WP:FILMNAV. --woodensuperman 12:52, 12 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ⓩⓟⓟⓘⓧ Talk 00:12, 21 February 2018 (UTC) Template:Country data Odessa People's Republic[edit] Template:Country data Odessa People's Republic (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) There was no such country as Odessa People's Republic, nobody even proclaimed this. This template should be deleted. Shmurak (talk) 09:33, 13 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ⓩⓟⓟⓘⓧ Talk 00:12, 21 February 2018 (UTC) Delete. As per nominator's rationale. Borsoka (talk) 06:03, 21 February 2018 (UTC) Template:Titled noble families in the Kingdom of Hungary[edit] Template:Titled noble families in the Kingdom of Hungary (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) The template is aimed at listing all noble families that held a hereditary title (baron, count, duke) in the Kingdom of Hungary. First of all, there were hundreds of such families, as it is demonstrated by the well-referenced (and still incomplete) List of titled noble families in the Kingdom of Hungary, so the creation of a complete, but handy template can hardly be imagined. Secondly, the template contains OR that hardly can be continuously fixed. Borsoka (talk) 05:57, 21 February 2018 (UTC) Delete. The template isn't only incomplete but confusing. I was one of the editors who tried to fix this template years ago, but it was futile. Fakirbakir (talk) 20:59, 21 February 2018 (UTC) February 20[edit] February 19[edit] Template:AFLLadderByesLine[edit] Template:AFLLadderByesLine (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:AFLLadderByesFooter (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) no longer needed now that {{AFLLadderLine}} and {{AFLLadderFooter}} have byes parameters Frietjes (talk) 20:14, 19 February 2018 (UTC) Template:WikiProject Mammals/Bats Task Force[edit] Template:WikiProject Mammals/Bats Task Force (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:WikiProject Mammals (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Propose merging Template:WikiProject Mammals/Bats Task Force with Template:WikiProject Mammals. Bats is a task force of the Mammals WikiProject. It seems that the separate and unnecessary bats template was created due to a failed attempt to update the mammals template. Jameboy (talk) 20:03, 19 February 2018 (UTC) Comment Yes, I ultimately created a new WP template because the Mammals template uses Template:WPBannerMeta which could not hold another task force. "WPBannerMeta can accommodate up to five task forces, each with its own image, links and importance scale, if desired." If merging this template would not affect the hot articles bot and quality/importance assessment bot, then I wouldn't be bothered either way. Another option is to migrate the Bats task force out to its own WikiProject similar to WP:CATS being a WikiProject with its own template, not a task force, despite being under the umbrella of WP:MAMMALS. Enwebb (talk) 20:17, 19 February 2018 (UTC) Oppose: I've given this some thought and I oppose a merge for several reasons. 1) It will create a lot of work. The bats template is already out on thousands of talk pages, with importance and quality scales that differ from the Mammals template. 2) The status quo is effective. Bat articles have seen a lot of growth and organization since the inception of the template, with a 7% reduction in stub frequency in the past 9 months and 30 missing bat articles created. No issues have been raised within the Tree of Life or Mammals WikiProject re: the separate talk page template (although they are certainly welcome to chime in now with any). 3) I'm not really seeing a merge rationale and you didn't really present one other than a subjective statement that it is unnecessary. Yes, there is overlap with WP:MAMMALS but that is the nature of taxonomy. There have been several offshoots from WP:MAMMALS. In short, as someone who spends the majority of my time on Wikipedia editing and creating bat articles, I find the template useful and necessary. Enwebb (talk) 23:26, 19 February 2018 (UTC) Oppose - per Enwebb. Merging the templates will not help if it is not possible to add another task force. Having a second template for the task force is an easy solution that has already been implemented in thousands of cases. Pagliaccious (talk) 13:37, 20 February 2018 (UTC) Comment (from nominator) I suppose my rationale was that having some task forces as part of a wikiproject banner and one out on its own just seems inconsistent, especially as it appeared to be based on technical limitations that could be overcome rather than a genuine edge case that required an exception. Fair enough, I wasn't aware of the five task force limitation, possibly because I've seen several wikiproject banner templates that can accommodate more than that (Template:WikiProject Football has more than 30, for example), so I wrongly assumed that it was easy to add just one more. However, according to Template:WPBannerMeta#Task_forces, it is possible to support more than five task forces via the use of Template:WPBannerMeta/hooks. This would presumably require a rewrite of Template:WikiProject Mammals but I assume it would then make it easier to incorporate mammalian task forces in future? (Hopefully someone who knows more about templates than I do can comment on that). In terms of the work required, I can't help with template syntax but i would be willing to do a large share of the work in updating talk pages. Is it still worth doing? I don't know. --Jameboy (talk) 16:05, 20 February 2018 (UTC) Oppose per Enwebb. The current situation may not be perfect, but it is not troublesome in any way, and merging will leave a hole, given current technology. Clearly making a WikiProject would be a solution, but to a problem that doesn't really need solving. Let's leave it alone. Chiswick Chap (talk) 10:07, 21 February 2018 (UTC) Through Template:WPBannerMeta/hooks/taskforces it should be possible to add another taskforce. Isn't complicated to implement that I can see. Galobtter (pingó mió) 16:40, 21 February 2018 (UTC) Oppose. The mammals template lists 5 task forces maximum. The WikiProject Monotremes and Marsupials is defunct, so remove it and replace it with the Bats Taskforce. William Harris • (talk) • 09:59, 24 February 2018 (UTC) Template:!Promo[edit] Template:!Promo (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:!Primary (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:!Related (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:!IN (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:!Wiki (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:!Blog (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Redundant to {{Promotional source}}, {{Primary source inline}}, {{Irrelevant citation}}, {{Self-published inline}}, and {{User-generated inline}} respectively. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 16:51, 19 February 2018 (UTC) Template:!Cite[edit] Template:!Cite (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Redundant to {{full citation needed}} and other, more specific templates in Category:Inline citation cleanup templates {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 16:57, 19 February 2018 (UTC) This template allows for a concise way of tagging for two dozen or so specific types of missing bibliographical details. This functionality is not redundant to either {{full citation needed}} (which doesn't provide any specificity) or, as far as I can see, to the other templates in the category as they are more-or-less hard-coded instances of tagging for a small number of specific issues. – Uanfala (talk) 23:59, 23 February 2018 (UTC) Template:Distinguish2[edit] Template:Distinguish2 (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:Distinguish (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Propose merging Template:Distinguish2 with Template:Distinguish. Similar to Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2018 February 18#Template:Redirect3 and Template:About2, the ability for custom text can be implemented in {{Distinguish}} as a text= option. feminist (talk) 11:53, 19 February 2018 (UTC) I have added {{tfm}} notices to the two templates. Given the high transclusion of the latter, I've opted to noinclude the notice on articles. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 18:35, 19 February 2018 (UTC) Support same rationale essentially - as being nom of that previous discussion Galobtter (pingó mió) 16:23, 21 February 2018 (UTC) February 18[edit] Template:Ethiopia call-ups (past 12 months)[edit] Template:Ethiopia call-ups (past 12 months) (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) This is basically a 'current squad' template for a national team, which 1) doesn't really exist and 2) simply isn't needed. GiantSnowman 18:46, 18 February 2018 (UTC) Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 18:47, 18 February 2018 (UTC) delete, excessive. Frietjes (talk) 22:11, 21 February 2018 (UTC) Template:Homophone[edit] Template:Homophone (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Was used only 4 times, I've orphaned it (diffs:[3][4][5][6]). Doesn't seem to be a use case that needs a seperate template; in cases where it needs to be specified as a homophone, custom text with {{Distinguish2}} can be used (as I did here) Galobtter (pingó mió) 15:34, 18 February 2018 (UTC) Agreeing that this template isn't helpful. Hatnotes should use the most simple and clear language possible, and text that contains 10-dollar words like "homophone" is a no-no. – Uanfala (talk) 17:26, 18 February 2018 (UTC) Template:Redirect3 and Template:About2[edit] Template:Redirect3 (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:Redirect (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:About2 (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:About (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Propose merging Template:Redirect3 with Template:Redirect and Template:About2 with Template:About. Implement their ability for custom text as a text= option in the main template that would add custom text to the end. (and which would suppress the automatic "for other uses see foo (disambiguation)" in the case of say {{about|foo|text = xyz}})). Then the templates {{About2}} and {{Redirect3}} can be deleted after the instances of use converted. Note: can't tag {{Redirect}} or {{About}} Galobtter (pingó mió) 12:00, 18 February 2018 (UTC) Strongly agree. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:31, 18 February 2018 (UTC) Oppose. If you would like to add |text= to existing templates, by all means do, but is there any benefit whatsoever in then deleting the templates that the new functionality will duplicate? I don't see why people should be forced to write {{about|text=}} instead of {{about2}}. Also, {{about2}} is intuitive as it follows the pattern of other hatnote templates, where the appended "2" is used to distinguish the templates that take free text. – Uanfala (talk) 14:23, 18 February 2018 (UTC) I plan on (proposing) merging all of those appended "2"'s also, eventually. By reducing the number of templates it makes maintenance easier, reduces confusion by not having templates that are superseded by another and are similarly named, and it's clearer what is occurring when a parameter is specified in the wikitext. It's 4 extra characters to type on a function that isn't used all that often (109 transclusions for {{about}}, 400 for the other). Galobtter (pingó mió) 15:45, 18 February 2018 (UTC) Also, it isn't really consistent. As you can see here {{Redirect2}} is for two redirects and {{Redirect3}} is the custom text one. {{distinguish-otheruses2}} and {{other uses2}} add a disambiguation suffix instead of being a custom text version. So not really intuitive. Galobtter (pingó mió) 16:04, 18 February 2018 (UTC) Thinking over it, there can be a short form of |t= Galobtter (pingó mió) 16:29, 18 February 2018 (UTC) Well, if that is your plan, then I think it might be better to start a bigger discussion that covers all cases as these templates work as a system and it's probably not productive to create gaps in it in a piecemeal fashion. There definitely is a case for seeing a |t= parameter as a better solution than the current system of different template names (although I'm not entirely convinced), but even if the alternative is adopted the old templates had better be retained, possibly converted into wrappers. Either way, the gains in maintainability are slim: the family of templates are already pretty simple to begin with, and are there's rarely, if ever, any need to modify them. At any rate, I don't see deletion as a viable option: I know how frustrating it can be to try improving things in the system once people have become set in their ways, but if the behaviour of these templates is altered, the disruption will be high: the templates are well established and widely known – they have been around since the early days, most of them have hundreds of transclusions, some (like {{Other uses2}} and {{Distinguish2}}) have thousands. – Uanfala (talk) 17:23, 18 February 2018 (UTC) The other ones probably can't be deleted, but they can be deprecated. The other ones are similar but not really exactly like these which is why I haven't added them + they're used a lot more often. The templates really aren't that consistent and I don't see much of a "gap" so to speak. {{about2}} was created two years ago. I don't think eliminating low use templates like these will cause much of a disruption. These templates are really not widely known. (similar stuff was done to {{redirect4}}, {{about3}}, and {{about4}})Galobtter (pingó mió) 17:47, 18 February 2018 (UTC) In forcing people to switch to using something else, deprecating a template will have the same effect as deletion. – Uanfala (talk) 18:23, 18 February 2018 (UTC) re opposer's {{about2}} is intuitive: quite nonsensical. Which editor can use {{About2}} without checking its documentation? Using |text= sounds OK; using #2 does not. And while nom may think of moving this forward, that is not relevant here. (So nom, don't get distracted into this off-topic ;-) ). - DePiep (talk) 01:50, 21 February 2018 (UTC) I'm finding that >50% the time that {{about2}} is being used, it is not needed - literally the same text can be produced by {{about}}. I think those people may think that all {{about}} can produce is "This page is about Use1. For other uses, see About (disambiguation)" and so {{about2}} must be used for anything more than that. Thus I think deleting those templates would help in reducing confusion. Galobtter (pingó mió) 19:09, 18 February 2018 (UTC) Really, more like 80%. Think its causing more confusion than help. One instance I saw admin SlimVirgin use about2 when {{about}} would have sufficed..I think forcing people to using {{about}}, and perhaps looking at the documentation (i've added a note to {{about2/doc}} that in general {{about}} should be used and not {{about2}}, if |text= is added I'll similarily warn against using it), could have some benefits. Galobtter (pingó mió) 19:36, 18 February 2018 (UTC) Support merge to simplify use. Migration can easily be accomplished by a quick bot run. No opinion about other templates that could be changed or merged: the case for {{about2}} and {{redirect3}} is well-articulated and straightforward, let's focus on those. — JFG talk 00:13, 19 February 2018 (UTC) Support --Ilovetopaint (talk) 00:30, 19 February 2018 (UTC) Support --★Yexstorm2001★ (talk) 00:36, 19 February 2018 (UTC) Support Daask (talk) 01:08, 19 February 2018 (UTC) Support --Ita140188 (talk) 01:58, 19 February 2018 (UTC) I'm fine with the merge, is it possible to remove the TfD note from {{about}}? It shows up *everywhere* and looks awful. power~enwiki (π, ν) 02:06, 19 February 2018 (UTC) Done, and for the record, I support the merge for the above reasoning. — Earwig talk 03:08, 19 February 2018 (UTC) Support provided all features are preserved. Remember WP:NOTAVOTE by the way. Nuke (talk) 02:55, 19 February 2018 (UTC) Support no need for extra templates. Many editors (including yours truly) have made the mistake of using the wrong hatnote template when it's not necessary. feminist (talk) 11:52, 19 February 2018 (UTC) Support To simplify. The only thing I can remember when hatnoting is that I need to go open up 3-5 template pages and figure out which one to use. Every. Single. Time. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 20:43, 20 February 2018 (UTC) And how will this change with the merge? About2 is an exception and should be rarely used. From all the support votes it sounds like you just want a way to make your own customized text. Christian75 (talk) 13:06, 21 February 2018 (UTC) I think Amory means to say this (at least I want to): Two hatnote templates will disappear (being redundant), the other two are left with a single parameter added (parameter works similar in both ways). This is simplifying the documentation. Support. I can add: four years ago I've spend a lot of time on rationalising these hatnotes, similar way. -DePiep (talk) 01:50, 21 February 2018 (UTC) Oppose Customized text should only be used in seldom cases. Adding text= to this template legitimize the use of all kinds of individual phrases. If merged anyway, there should be added a maintenance category for all uses of text= Christian75 (talk) 13:06, 21 February 2018 (UTC) only be used in seldom cases: could be true (I did not find this), but these merges do not add legitimation. It is an existing option. Then, our main goal is to help the editors out by easifying hatnote usage, not prevent proper usage by complicating things. This also helps writing good hatnote sentences. As for tracking: this tool already does a nice job. -DePiep (talk) 14:32, 21 February 2018 (UTC) Template:No Limit Forever Records[edit] Template:No Limit Forever Records (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Unneeded navbox to simply list the founders of the record company. WP:NENAN. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 03:40, 18 February 2018 (UTC) delete, founders can be connected through simple in-article links, or see-also-section links. Frietjes (talk) 22:11, 21 February 2018 (UTC) February 17[edit] Template:8TeamBracket-2Legs[edit] Template:8TeamBracket-2Legs (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:8TeamBracket-2Leg-NoSeeds (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Propose merging Template:8TeamBracket-2Legs with Template:8TeamBracket-2Leg-NoSeeds. These two template are the same usage. Hhhhhkohhhhh (talk) 16:32, 17 February 2018 (UTC) Template:Huskies of Honor navbox[edit] Template:Huskies of Honor navbox (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template provides navigation with respect to a minor award that is not defining for its recipients. Jweiss11 (talk) 16:02, 17 February 2018 (UTC) Delete per nom. School “halls of fame” just aren’t significant enough to warrant navboxes in my opinion. Rikster2 (talk) 16:29, 17 February 2018 (UTC) Delete per nominator....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 11:04, 21 February 2018 (UTC) Template:University of Florida Athletic Hall of Fame[edit] Template:University of Florida Athletic Hall of Fame (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template provides navigation with respect to a minor award that is not defining for its recipients. Jweiss11 (talk) 15:59, 17 February 2018 (UTC) Delete per nom. School “halls of fame” just aren’t significant enough to warrant navboxes in my opinion. Rikster2 (talk) 16:29, 17 February 2018 (UTC) Delete per nominator....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 11:04, 21 February 2018 (UTC) Template:Italian American Sports Hall of Fame[edit] Template:Italian American Sports Hall of Fame (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template provides navigation with respect to a minor award that is not defining for its recipients. Jweiss11 (talk) 15:56, 17 February 2018 (UTC) Delete per nom. Lizard (talk) 22:23, 17 February 2018 (UTC) Delete per nominator....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 11:04, 21 February 2018 (UTC) Template:National Jewish Sports Hall of Fame[edit] Template:National Jewish Sports Hall of Fame (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template provides navigation with respect to a minor award that is not defining for its recipients. Jweiss11 (talk) 15:56, 17 February 2018 (UTC) Delete per nom. Lizard (talk) 22:24, 17 February 2018 (UTC) Delete per nominator....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 11:04, 21 February 2018 (UTC) Template:PFW Golden Toe Award[edit] Template:PFW Golden Toe Award (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template provides navigation with respect to a minor award that is not defining for its recipients. Jweiss11 (talk) 15:44, 17 February 2018 (UTC) Delete not notable.--Yankees10 18:27, 17 February 2018 (UTC) Delete per nom. Lizard (talk) 22:22, 17 February 2018 (UTC) Delete per nominator....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 11:04, 21 February 2018 (UTC) Template:NFL Alumni Career Achievement Award[edit] Template:NFL Alumni Career Achievement Award (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template provides navigation with respect to a minor award that is not defining for its recipients. Jweiss11 (talk) 15:42, 17 February 2018 (UTC) Delete not notable.--Yankees10 18:27, 17 February 2018 (UTC) Delete per nom. Lizard (talk) 22:23, 17 February 2018 (UTC) Delete per nominator....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 11:04, 21 February 2018 (UTC) Template:Metro Dagupan[edit] Template:Metro Dagupan (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Help fix malformed TfD: Dagupan is no longer a metropolis as per definitions by the National Economic and Development Authority -ERAMnc 08:54, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Thanks! Hhhhhkohhhhh (talk) 07:08, 17 February 2018 (UTC)


Old discussions[edit] February 16[edit] Template:1966–67 AAWU Conference men's basketball[edit] The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review). The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 04:14, 24 February 2018 (UTC) Template:1966–67 AAWU Conference men's basketball (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Redundant template, duplicate of Template:1966–67 AAWU Conference men's basketball standings. Bigcheddar (talk) 22:32, 16 February 2018 (UTC) The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review). Template:1966–67 Pacific Coast Conference men's basketball standings[edit] The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review). The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 04:14, 24 February 2018 (UTC) Template:1966–67 Pacific Coast Conference men's basketball standings (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Redundant template, duplicate of Template:1966–67 AAWU Conference men's basketball standings . Bigcheddar (talk) 22:20, 16 February 2018 (UTC) The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review). Template:1986–87 Pacific 10 Conference men's basketball standings[edit] Template:1986–87 Pacific 10 Conference men's basketball standings (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Redundant template, duplicate of Template:1986–87 Pacific-10 Conference men's basketball standings. Bigcheddar (talk) 22:20, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Template:Atlanta United 2[edit] Template:Atlanta United 2 (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) duplicate of Template:Atlanta United 2 squad Joeykai (talk) 20:14, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Delete beyond the fact that this is a duplicate, templates for second teams are usually not maintained, but rather incorporated into the first team's template. This template isn't needed. Jay eyem (talk) 15:52, 17 February 2018 (UTC) Template:Dead to Fall[edit] Template:Dead to Fall (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Band navbox. The people in this navbox all have no articles. The four albums don't really need a navbox. Sandstein 19:15, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Keep - Navbox has four albums which was not connected without the navbox. The ensemble plans to release a new album in 2018. --Jax 0677 (talk) 20:47, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Keep, plenty of links. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 22:12, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Keep per above. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 18:20, 19 February 2018 (UTC) Template:Editnotices/Page/Metro Dagupan[edit] The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review). The result of the discussion was Template does not exist. If the template linked contains a typo, feel free to correct the typo and un-close this discussion. AnomieBOT⚡ 09:13, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Template:Editnotices/Page/Metro Dagupan (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Dagupan is no longer a metropolis as per definitions by the National Economic and Development Authority -ERAMnc 08:54, 16 February 2018 (UTC) The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review). Template:Editnotices/Page/Pokémon X and Y[edit] The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review). The result of the discussion was delete. —CYBERPOWER (Chat) 16:36, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Template:Editnotices/Page/Pokémon X and Y (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) This game was released over four years ago. The game only occasionally has news articles written about it and there is no information that could be leaked anymore. While it might have been useful in 2013, it is now superfluous. Anarchyte (work | talk) 04:24, 16 February 2018 (UTC) The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review). Template:Lakes of Kenai National Wildlife[edit] The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review). The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 04:14, 24 February 2018 (UTC) Template:Lakes of Kenai National Wildlife (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Unmaintained list of mostly redlinks. I’ve nominated the only three with articles at AFD as these lakes are all in an area that is more lake than land and they are not really notable, so this will almost certainly soon be nothing but redlinks. It may be possible to have a navbox for this subject, but this ain’t it. Beeblebrox (talk) 22:28, 4 February 2018 (UTC) The AFD was relisted, but looks likely to end in a decision to delete. It should close on the 18th. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:01, 15 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: I'd rather have the TFD close after the AFD is finished. Relisting mostly for that purpose, though obviously more input would be grand. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Primefac (talk) 00:14, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Delete -- insufficient navigation & not everything needs a nav box. The entries appear to be insufficiently notable; they are up for deletion, with the discussion trending "Delete". Delete regardless of AfD outcome. K.e.coffman (talk) 01:44, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Delete. Navigation template for which all navigation targets have just been deleted. The template is now unused. • Gene93k (talk) 14:34, 22 February 2018 (UTC) The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review). Template:Julius Evola[edit] Template:Julius Evola (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) The quantity of articles about Evola has fluctuated pretty wildly since this template was created, but they've constantly lacked reliable sources establishing notability. After a year without improvement, I just turned Le Parole Obscure du Paysage Interieur into a redirect to Julius Evola. This leaves only three articles remaining. One of those also has tags for its serious notability problems. There isn't enough left to bother with a navbox. Grayfell (talk) 05:32, 4 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Primefac (talk) 00:13, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Delete -- insufficient navigation & not everything needs a nav box. The entries appear to be insufficiently notable in any case. K.e.coffman (talk) 01:41, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Template:USL Premier Development League Southwest Division stadiums[edit] Template:USL Premier Development League Southwest Division stadiums (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:USL Premier Development League Southeast Division stadiums (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:USL Premier Development League Northeast Division stadiums (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:USL Premier Development League Mid South Division stadiums (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:USL Premier Development League Mid Atlantic Division stadiums (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:USL Premier Development League Heartland Division stadiums (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:USL Premier Development League Great Lakes Division stadiums (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Entirely unnecessary template, we don't maintain stadium templates for semi-pro leagues. Jay eyem (talk) 06:10, 3 February 2018 (UTC) I would like to change my nomination to merge. There is no need to maintain a template for each individual division, but there could be usefulness for a template for the entire league. I have already asked the admin that closed the other stadium template to userfy it to assist with merging. Jay eyem (talk) 20:29, 21 February 2018 (UTC) delete, not useful. Frietjes (talk) 14:11, 3 February 2018 (UTC) Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Hhhhhkohhhhh (talk) 13:39, 4 February 2018 (UTC) Delete - not needed. GiantSnowman 15:45, 4 February 2018 (UTC) Delete No need. Hhhhhkohhhhh (talk) 15:47, 4 February 2018 (UTC) Keep, so far, all of delete comments are WP:JNN and WP:IDONTLIKEIT arguments, which should carry zero weight, because they do not show any effort in justifying deleting the template. The stadiums and teams meet WP:GNG and it is a notable term to know where PDL teams play, and the PDL teams in general are a noteworthy GNG item. The idea that the PDL is not fully professional carries a WP:DIDNOTWIN feel. Quidster4040 (talk) 19:41, 4 February 2018 (UTC) Comment WP:GNG is for articles, not templates. The articles themselves may be notable, but that does not mean that the templates are useful. Under WP:DEL10 they can be deleted. I would also think that merge might be an acceptable alternative such as to a Template:Premier Development League stadiums Jay eyem (talk) 21:45, 4 February 2018 (UTC) But that assumes that they are redundant or useless, which they are not. Quidster4040 (talk) 02:14, 5 February 2018 (UTC) Keep, I found the template useful, enough that I marked it to watch. Unfortunately, by design, it is more difficult to watch templates, requiring going through multiple pages. I don't mark them enough because of that and templates often get deleted in secrecy. Templates are navigational tools. I used these to navigate to a bunch of stadiums I have related other content to. So they are useful and thus needed. The above people's delete votes simply show their ignorance of the usefulness of the templates and cannot be a definitive statement of these not being needed. Instead, they impose their value judgement on the league these stadiums are associated with and in the intent of diminishing (or ultimately deleting) its presence on wikipedia, wish to delete the supplemental content created by the editors who have contributed to that league. Trackinfo (talk) 01:28, 6 February 2018 (UTC) Comment ok 1. Dial back the accusatory tone. 2. You need to recognize that these templates are primarily related to WP:FOOTY and that determination is the primary one used for keeping and maintaining these templates 3. There is already a precedent for deleting these exact kinds of templates. I have proposed merging them as an alternative because I believe that it could potentially be useful as a single template but not as they are now. Jay eyem (talk) 00:44, 8 February 2018 (UTC) Do not stand on a precedent established by a severe minority of three people. The same three people who are placing delete ivotes on this page. Finally you have some pushback for an ill advised prior deletion which should get replace. Trackinfo (talk) 02:10, 8 February 2018 (UTC) Comment It was closed by an admin unaffiliated with the project. Take it up with them, not me. And again, watch your tone, please. Jay eyem (talk) 06:00, 8 February 2018 (UTC) Keep or merge I don't see a compelling reason to delete. Evidently we do maintain such templates, and some editors above have found these useful. Mamyles (talk) 22:11, 8 February 2018 (UTC) Comment just as a quick aside, if you look at Category:Association football venue navigational boxes on the whole you won't find football templates for semi-pro leagues other than in the United States. No National League, no Regionalliga, no Championnat National, etc. I think merging is the minimum of what must be done, but I still don't see how this is useful for WP:FOOTY to maintain. Jay eyem (talk) 22:29, 8 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Primefac (talk) 00:13, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Template:New Zealand Squad 2006 ICC Champions Trophy[edit] Template:New Zealand Squad 2006 ICC Champions Trophy (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) unused; 2nd place squad (squad membership is preserved in 2006 ICC Champions Trophy squads). See 25 July 2017, 29 December 2016, 18 December 2014, 8 December 2014, ... Frietjes (talk) 18:23, 8 February 2018 (UTC) Delete per nom. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 19:48, 8 February 2018 (UTC) Delete confirmed it's unused. Mamyles (talk) 21:53, 8 February 2018 (UTC) Delete per nom; unused. Steven (Editor) (talk) 00:45, 11 February 2018 (UTC) Speedy keep Now I have inserted this template into those cricketers' biographies who have played at the 2006 ICC Champions Trophy. It is also a useful template. Abishe (talk) 16:18, 11 February 2018 (UTC) Keep per @Abishe: (thanks for the work). Useful navbox for notable ICC tournament, nothing to do with examples mentioned above. Störm (talk) 10:09, 13 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Nihlus 00:10, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Delete, navbox creep. We don't need navboxes for every squad; especially squads that didn't win the trophy. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 22:11, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Delete per nom. We don't need navboxes for every intricate little detail. Ajf773 (talk) 09:32, 19 February 2018 (UTC) Keep, It is one of the most useful templates as it relates to the ICC Champions Trophy. Abishe (talk) 11:00, 24 February 2018 (UTC) February 15[edit] Template:6 Hours of Circuit of Fuji[edit] The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review). The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 06:11, 23 February 2018 (UTC) Template:6 Hours of Circuit of Fuji (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) appears to be created by mistake (copy of Template:6 Hours of Fuji) Frietjes (talk) 20:40, 15 February 2018 (UTC) The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review). Template:2017–18 Catholic Conference Hockey standings[edit] The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review). The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) ~ Winged BladesGodric 08:27, 23 February 2018 (UTC) Template:2017–18 Catholic Conference Hockey standings (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:2016–17 Catholic Conference Hockey standings (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:2008–09 Catholic Conference Hockey standings (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) all redlinks; high school sports conference Frietjes (talk) 20:33, 15 February 2018 (UTC) The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review). Template:2003 World Rally Championship season[edit] The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review). The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 06:11, 23 February 2018 (UTC) Template:2003 World Rally Championship season (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) unused, all redlinks; duplicates the this of events in the main article Frietjes (talk) 20:30, 15 February 2018 (UTC) The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review). Template:2002 World Rally Championship season[edit] The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review). The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 06:11, 23 February 2018 (UTC) Template:2002 World Rally Championship season (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) unused, no links; duplicates the list in the main article Frietjes (talk) 20:28, 15 February 2018 (UTC) The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review). Template:Four Great Classical Novels Television Series[edit] The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review). The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) ~ Winged BladesGodric 08:17, 23 February 2018 (UTC) Template:Four Great Classical Novels Television Series (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Redundant, Template:Romance of the Three Kingdoms, Template:Water Margin, Template:Dream of the Red Chamber and Template:Journey to the West all include TV adaptations already. The 4 Chinese novels are not related in any meaningful way such as setting, author (Water Margin may share one co-author with ROTK but that's debatable), or story, to warrant inclusion of their TV adaptations in the same template. (Four Great Classical Novels has already been moved to Classic Chinese Novels for what it's worth.) Timmyshin (talk) 10:02, 1 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Primefac (talk) 13:26, 15 February 2018 (UTC) The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review). NC license templates[edit] The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review). The result of the discussion was Keep, Keep, Merge. AFAIK, multiple licensing if coupled with a free one is allowed at WP.Anyways, one of the near-duplicate template has been set for a merge. (non-admin closure) ~ Winged BladesGodric 08:24, 23 February 2018 (UTC) Template:MultiLicenceWithCC-ByNCSA-IntEng (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:MultiLicenseWithCC-ByNCSA (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:MultiLicenceWithCC-ByNCSA-IntEng-3.0 (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) All needs to be deleted because Wikipedia don't allow NC licenses. 2A02:C7F:9659:4500:AD9E:5801:81C:7CD9 (talk) 20:54, 23 January 2018 (UTC) You are misunderstanding the templates. Those who use those templates are licensing their contributions under multiple licences: GFDL, CC-BY-SA and CC-BY-NC-SA. This is permitted as long as one of the licences is a free licence. {{MultiLicenceWithCC-ByNCSA-IntEng}} and {{MultiLicenceWithCC-ByNCSA-IntEng-3.0}} seem to duplicate each other: the only difference I can find is that one uses British spelling ("licence") while the other uses American spelling ("license"). Confusingly, both use British spelling in the page title, though. It may be possible to merge those two. The third template uses a different version of the licence and therefore can't be merged with the other two. --Stefan2 (talk) 18:37, 24 January 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 04:20, 1 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Primefac (talk) 13:26, 15 February 2018 (UTC) The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review). Template:LUMS[edit] The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review). The result of the discussion was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. (non-admin closure) Nihlus 00:20, 23 February 2018 (UTC) Template:LUMS (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) No article to navigate. Redundant temp. Störm (talk) 12:35, 7 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Primefac (talk) 13:19, 15 February 2018 (UTC) The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review). Template:Monastic houses of England[edit] Template:Monastic houses of England (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:Map link to lists of monastic houses in England by county (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Propose merging Template:Monastic houses of England with Template:Map link to lists of monastic houses in England by county. {{Monastic houses of England}} duplicates scope and content of {{Map link to lists of monastic houses in England by county}}, which has older edit history, except for the footer links. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 20:16, 5 February 2018 (UTC) Reverse merge, i.e. Template:Map link to lists of monastic houses in England by county → Template:Monastic houses of England. Obvious duplication, but better to keep the less verbose title, esp since the "Map link" part is untrue. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:24, 5 February 2018 (UTC) PS I see that Template:Map link to lists of monastic houses in England by county used to be a map link template, but was coverted[7] to a conventional text-only navbox by @GraemeLeggett on 6 November 2017. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:31, 5 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hhhhhkohhhhh (talk) 13:02, 15 February 2018 (UTC) Template:2018 UPSL Wild West standings[edit] The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review). The result of the discussion was keep. (non-admin closure) Nihlus 00:18, 23 February 2018 (UTC) Template:2018 UPSL Wild West standings (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:2018 UPSL Western – Pro Premier standings (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:2018 UPSL Western – Championship standings (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template for an article that fails WP:GNG Jay eyem (talk) 05:59, 3 February 2018 (UTC) I withdraw my nomination for these templates as a result of the deletion review. Jay eyem (talk) 20:21, 21 February 2018 (UTC) merge with 2018 UPSL season, single-use templates. if the article is deleted, clearly these should/will be deleted with it. Frietjes (talk) 14:12, 3 February 2018 (UTC) @Frietjes: 2018 UPSL season was also listed in WP:AfD. Hhhhhkohhhhh (talk) 14:05, 4 February 2018 (UTC) Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Hhhhhkohhhhh (talk) 14:05, 4 February 2018 (UTC) Delete - not needed. GiantSnowman 15:45, 4 February 2018 (UTC) Keep, article itself is notable and receives WP:SIGCOV, the template helps preserve the article from being too long in length. Quidster4040 (talk) 02:18, 5 February 2018 (UTC) Keep/Delete Useful template for the 2018 UPSL season article. Keep if that article is kept, delete if it is deleted. Bashum104 (talk) 23:30, 5 February 2018 (UTC) Keep As I mentioned above, there is a mass move to make this league disappear from wikipedia, so its component articles and the templates to support the articles are under attack. The league is notable, the season they play is already (and will continue to be) notable. The templates that support the layout of that season's article are useful for the cleanliness of that presentation. Even if it is a single use template, templates make content more orderly and are justified. Trackinfo (talk) Comment "Under attack"? Please dial back the accusations and allow the content to be discussed in a civil manner please. Whether or not the league is notable remains to be seen. Jay eyem (talk) 00:50, 8 February 2018 (UTC) Every TfD is an attack on the content. There is no other term for it. The intent is to destroy. Trackinfo (talk) 02:11, 8 February 2018 (UTC) Comment I would appreciate it if you read/re-read WP:CIVIL before your next response. "an attack on content" and "The intent is to destroy" are highly accusatory, and such comments are not needed for this discussion. Jay eyem (talk) 06:05, 8 February 2018 (UTC) wikt:attack, #1 and 2 apply; wikt:destroy, #7 certainly, and 2, 3 or 4 could also suffice. This is not an issue of civility, this is a statement of fact. If you did not want this content to disappear, you would not have started this action. Trackinfo (talk) 22:35, 8 February 2018 (UTC) Comment your word choice clearly implied ill-considered accusations of impropriety and implies that deletion of content that is somehow equivalent to destruction, neutralization, and euthanization. It absolutely is a WP:CIVIL issue, and unless you intend on making actual arguments about the merits of keeping the templates, you should not be making such comments. Jay eyem (talk) 22:52, 8 February 2018 (UTC) Keep I feel that this nomination is premature. This is being used in an article for good reason. If that article is deleted, then would be the appropriate time to nominate these templates. Mamyles (talk) 22:19, 8 February 2018 (UTC) Note 2018 UPSL season deleted per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2018 UPSL season (closed by me). AFAICS, these templates are now unused. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:17, 12 February 2018 (UTC) Further NoteThe above editors' closure of that article has been taken to Deletion review. Please do not base any decision on that status until the DRV process has been completed.Trackinfo (talk) 14:39, 14 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Article was in WP:DR Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hhhhhkohhhhh (talk) 12:59, 15 February 2018 (UTC) :*Wait pending the outcome of the deletion review. Jay eyem (talk) 15:31, 15 February 2018 (UTC) The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review). February 6[edit] Template:French Championships (tennis)[edit] The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review). The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 03:04, 14 February 2018 (UTC) Template:French Championships (tennis) (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template not used anymore, superseded by Template:French Open championships. Wolbo (talk) 16:30, 6 February 2018 (UTC) The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review). Template:French Open tournaments[edit] The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review). The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 03:04, 14 February 2018 (UTC) Template:French Open tournaments (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template not used anymore, superseded by Template:French Open championships. Wolbo (talk) 16:29, 6 February 2018 (UTC) The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review). Template:Late ottoman genocides[edit] The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review). The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) Nihlus 00:19, 14 February 2018 (UTC) Template:Late ottoman genocides (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) The three articles in this navbox are already linked to from 3 separate navboxes making this template redundant to the Turkish nationalism, the Genocide Topics navbox and the WWI navbox. Seraphim System (talk) 05:16, 6 February 2018 (UTC) Delete - no purpose served. Störm (talk) 16:13, 6 February 2018 (UTC) Delete I created this infobox, but I agree it is redundant. I might change how these topics are grouped in another infobox. BillHPike (talk, contribs) 01:27, 8 February 2018 (UTC) Delete per nominator....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 11:27, 8 February 2018 (UTC) The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review). Inflation-related templates that were initially created by mistake[edit] Template:Inflation/US-NGDPPC (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:Inflation/US-NGDPPC/dataset (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:Inflation/US-NGDPPC/startyear (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:Inflation/USNGDPPC (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:Inflation/USNGDPPC/dataset (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:Inflation/USNGDPPC/startyear (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:Inflation/UK-NGDPPC (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:Inflation/UK-NGDPPC/dataset (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:Inflation/UK-NGDPPC/startyear (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:Inflation/UKNGDPPC (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:Inflation/UKNGDPPC/dataset (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:Inflation/UKNGDPPC/startyear (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:Inflation/doc/US-NGDPPC (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) Template:Inflation/doc/UK-NGDPPC (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) There is a series of secondary templates that were originally created in support of the main Template:Inflation functionality, but are now obsolete. The reason is that the series initially chosen happened to be chosen by mistake, and are not suitable for inflation adjustments. See Template talk:Inflation for details. The proposal is to remove these obsolete templates now, as the main template doesn't rely on them any longer. cherkash (talk) 02:29, 14 January 2018 (UTC) Oppose GDP per capita can be used to compare relative incomes. Rename if necessary. DrKay (talk) 07:37, 14 January 2018 (UTC) Can you suggest an article where such a comparison would actually be done? Furthermore, would it be done in enough articles to justify doing it via a template?--Father Goose (talk) 08:48, 14 January 2018 (UTC) Daniel Lambert has just popped up on my watchlist, so I will use this as a typical example. If you look at Daniel Lambert#Weight, he receives an annuity of £50 on losing his job in 1805, which the inflation template tells us is equivalent to £3,700 now, but that is misleading. An income of £50 in 1805 was a respectable income, enough for an ordinary person to live on, and about twice the average earnings of a farm labourer. There is no way anyone in England could live on £3,700 per annum today. The correct relative measure is GDP per capita, which gives a better estimate of equivalent value today of £49,000. DrKay (talk) 21:36, 14 January 2018 (UTC) No, the correct measure is not GDP per capita. Lambert really did make the equivalent of 3,700 pounds, and, no, he could not live on that in England today. That is because both production and consumption is greatly increased across these eras, as is the amount one must earn and spend to live in modern, prosperous countries. Just because GDPPC gives a figure in line with your modern expectations doesn't mean such a figure is correct. Living conditions, and expenses, in 1805 England, even for the relatively prosperous, were more in line with a Third World lifestyle today. I'm sure it's more than you want to read, but https://ourworldindata.org/economic-growth gives a good overview of how the very nature of prosperity has changed across the centuries.--Father Goose (talk) 05:37, 15 January 2018 (UTC) Comment We don't usually orphan a template before the formal deletion discussion. It's considered best practice to wait until after the deletion discussion has concluded with consensus to delete. DrKay (talk) 07:45, 14 January 2018 (UTC) The prior use of the template/dataset (to calculate inflation) created a factual error spread across many pages, as GDP per capita is not appropriate to use for adjusting for inflation. Removing all instances of its erroneous use is not just justified, but necessary.--Father Goose (talk) 08:48, 14 January 2018 (UTC) I looked at a random half-dozen of the AWB edits: I couldn't see anywhere the template had been used to calculate inflation. They were all being used to estimate relative values. DrKay (talk) 20:51, 14 January 2018 (UTC) By "estimate relative values", do you mean adjust for inflation? Because that is what the {{inflation}} template does.--Father Goose (talk) 05:37, 15 January 2018 (UTC) No, I mean "estimate relative worth", which is what the website linked through the template, MeasuringWorth, does. DrKay (talk) 22:03, 15 January 2018 (UTC) Ah, I see. Unfortunately, if you can't describe what the meaning of the adjustment is, it's not appropriate to use on Wikipedia. Not to put too fine a point on it, but it's basically WP:OR to use an adjustment (a numerical multiplier) that does not have a standard meaning in the economics world. Price indexes to adjust for inflation are bog standard, and the meaning of "adjusting for inflation" is standard as well. The Measures of Worth essay on Measuring Worth is an interesting academic exercise, but not one we should treat as some standard way of adjusting numbers, as it is most definitely not.--Father Goose (talk) 05:38, 22 January 2018 (UTC) Oppose - as per DrKay, we should rename it. Incorrect uses of the template can always be updated to a deflator version. Hchc2009 (talk) 08:57, 14 January 2018 (UTC) All uses of this template/dataset to calculate inflation are incorrect, and as a consequence, all uses of it have been updated to use the deflator version. The only remaining use for it is some hypothetical, and unlikely, repurposing.--Father Goose (talk) 17:21, 14 January 2018 (UTC) Renaming suggestion is totally reasonable, but only if you can identify what it should be renamed to. Wiki should not be turning into a collection of random orphaned datasets. So unless there's a particular suggestion, the delete is a way to go. cherkash (talk) 00:37, 15 January 2018 (UTC) Strongly support – as I've justified in my nomination and the linked discussion (on the Template talk:Inflation page), these are just service sub-templates whose existence could be justified only if relevant for the main template. As they are emphatically not relevant to the main template anymore (as they are not used to measure anything related to inflation), so they should be deleted. As a side comment, their contents are ultimately trivial, and can be re-created anytime in any other context when/if relevant. cherkash (talk) 00:37, 15 January 2018 (UTC) Oppose and reinstate. See the comments at Talk:Cullinan Diamond#Inflation-adjusted value. This template gave more realistic estimates for equivalent modern-day values for certain things. Celia Homeford (talk) 15:04, 15 January 2018 (UTC) Comment and a strong counter-point – You are wrong, the perceived inflation in the prices of (high-end) diamonds have nothing to do with the inflation of money. It's now been explained on the Talk page (Talk:Cullinan Diamond#Inflation-adjusted value). As this templates deal purely with inflation of money, and not of any other goods (diamonds or not), the point you made is quite irrelevant here. cherkash (talk) 21:10, 15 January 2018 (UTC) Support. The datasets contained within these templates should never have been used on Wikipedia – at the very least, not for making inflation adjustments, nor for the other vague purposes suggested above either. We have at least stopped the use of these incorrect datasets (by deprecating the {{inflation}} parameter that invokes them), and deletion is the next step, because they are no longer used, and should not be. Unfortunately, those opposing the deletion of the datasets don't understand why the they are incorrect – or at least, didn't when they first !voted here. Cherkash and I have done what we could to explain the issue, but a deletion poll is not the right forum for it – "straw polls [cannot] be used to determine a question of fact", as WP:POLL points out. I doubt the templates will be deleted at this time based on how the above polling has gone, but I affirm once again that although the numbers they generate might seem right in certain contexts, they are not right. I would be happy to continue attempting to explain why, if anyone is still willing to continue the conversation.--Father Goose (talk) 05:38, 22 January 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Nihlus 00:42, 25 January 2018 (UTC) Migrate to Growth/.*. The Daniel Lambert article example is exactly correct. When dealing with relative wage levels / consumption levels over time in terms of societal status it is meaningless to give an as-of-2018 reader the comparison of a third world income, because this displays product preferences as of 2018 in relation to a 1805 expenditure. Product preferences of 1805 involve comparative status displays. The only correct way to get an automated social relativity comparison over time would be via NGDPPC. Our readers desire to understand what £50 meant to a person in 1805. In relation to understanding 1805£50 as social status CPI is useless, as is a GDP deflator. Correspondingly, in the decision to make large structural purchases, the question "what would it take to recreate this today," may be contrasted with, "to a contemporary, how ought they understand what was forgone at that time?" These are not equivalent questions in terms of the meaning of money over time. All in all the Inflation series (and if migrate is successful,) related social worth over time series need far better explanation for editors in their use. Fifelfoo (talk) 23:09, 30 January 2018 (UTC) Follow-up question – What do you mean by "Growth/.*." in this case, Fifelfoo? cherkash (talk) 03:12, 31 January 2018 (UTC) If you do want want to take such an approach, Fifelfoo, what kind of language would you use to explain to readers what calculation is being performed? You can't say "adjusted for inflation", as that implies the use of a price index; "adjusted for growth" has no readily understood meaning; and "equivalent to" (if it means anything) means "adjusted for inflation". (One could argue that maybe we shouldn't use the language "equivalent to" in general...)--Father Goose (talk) 06:48, 31 January 2018 (UTC) Editors are crap at making comparisons in money over time. They don't understand consumption bundles to begin with. I have previously argued that any comparison over time is original research, as it requires intelligent selection of CPI/GDP/NGDPPC to reflect consumption bundle, reproduction cost, equivalent social exertion. However, given that we can't stop them, and that other editors have disagreed with me on original research we may as well do it the best way possible. Fred bought a beer for AUD2 in 1997, (the equivalent of a beer of AUD6 in 2017).[cpi] Fred bought a 1950 class Destroyer in 1950 for AU£50000, (the equivalent of making the same destroyer in 2017 for AUD2 million).[gdp] Fred bought a beer for AUD2 in 1997, (the equivalent social power of buying beer of AUD14 in 2017).[ngdppc] Fred bought a 1950 class Destroyer in 1950 for AU£50000, (the equivalent proportion of the Australian economy of the 1950s as AUD4 million in 2017).[ngdppc] Or similar. Fifelfoo (talk) 10:58, 5 February 2018 (UTC) Fifelfoo: Now I'm even less clear on what it is you want to do. You've given four examples: which of the four are "intelligent selections", according to your views? All four, only two, only one? And why?--Father Goose (talk) 18:16, 5 February 2018 (UTC) The correct editorial choice depends entirely on why a comparison of a monetary figure over time is being made. If the comparison relates to wage worker wages in decade time spans, and the purpose of the comparison relates to understanding the past value as a portion of a households wage purchased expenses, then consumption bundles are relevant—how many beers was that hat worth? If it relates to a comparison where the modern reader wants to know the current reproduction cost of an item, then GDP—what would it take today to remake an A4 steam engine. If it relates to understanding the weight of past social choices, expressed against an equivalent dedication of social exertion today, then NGDPPC—how expensive was beer, or WWII, proportionate to the total economy of the time. Fifelfoo (talk) 03:48, 6 February 2018 (UTC) This is unfortunate. You are not managing to make a clear statement at all.--Father Goose (talk) 01:46, 7 February 2018 (UTC) I'm sorry that you're imputing your comprehension issues to me. Editors make comparisons in money values over time to explain the meaning of money in the past. For people in the past, they related to money in various ways. They purchased households with it. They purchased capital with it. They exerted social status with it. Purchasing a household is a consumption bundle purchase, a cpi purchase. Editors should use cpi to express this. Purchasing capital is a capital purchase, a gdp purchase. Editors should use gdp to express this. Exerting social status commands a proportion of the total economy. Editors should use ngdppc to express this. What meaning money had, and how to express that meaning to modern readers as of 2018, is an editorial decision. Many times editors wish to express what kind of social power was being exerted. Fifelfoo (talk) 00:47, 8 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 04:21, 6 February 2018 (UTC) Delete These are unused. They do not have any relevant transclusions. No one is using these templates, and it's reasonably unlikely that they will be used in the future. Mamyles (talk) 23:09, 8 February 2018 (UTC) Delete, looks like these are all unused, and can be safely deleted. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 21:57, 16 February 2018 (UTC) @Mamyles:@Plastikspork: They were used extensively until the nominator used AWB to remove all of the transclusions. DrKay (talk) 16:39, 17 February 2018 (UTC) Yes, DrKay. And the reason for this has been explained clearly during the nomination (see above): "The reason is that the series initially chosen happened to be chosen by mistake, and are not suitable for inflation adjustments. See Template talk:Inflation for details." So all these nominated series carry no value anymore, and are ripe for deletion. cherkash (talk) 09:07, 18 February 2018 (UTC) Neither of these two editors have voted to delete on that basis. This is why we deprecate orphaning templates before the discussion is concluded: it gives a skewed view of the template's usefulness. The template does not measure inflation, it measures relative worth. Misnaming a template is not a valid reason for deletion when they can be easily moved to new names. DrKay (talk) 10:55, 18 February 2018 (UTC) Actually, I was just pointing out that your claim of previous "extensive use" is irrelevant – this was because these templates were created by mistake in the first place which has since been fixed. So the current state of being unused is quite relevant and meaningful, which was correctly noted by the last two editors' votes. cherkash (talk) 10:44, 19 February 2018 (UTC) Template:Templarius Studios[edit] The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review). The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 03:04, 14 February 2018 (UTC) Template:Templarius Studios (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) No blue links whatsoever in this navbox. Clearly isn't ready for primetime. Izno (talk) 00:55, 6 February 2018 (UTC) Delete per nom. Namcokid47 (talk) 01:31, 6 February 2018 (UTC) Delete same reason. Zyc1174 chat? what I did 02:41, 6 February 2018 (UTC) Delete CLCStudent (talk) 14:54, 6 February 2018 (UTC) The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review). Template:Ray series[edit] The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review). The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) Nihlus 00:18, 14 February 2018 (UTC) Template:Ray series (edit · talk · history · links · logs · subpages · delete) There are only three games (which fails the soft WP:NENAN requirement) and the series is unlikely to grow. Izno (talk) 00:05, 6 February 2018 (UTC) Delete per nom. Not enough entries to warrant a template, not sure they're typically called "Ray series" either. Sergecross73 msg me 00:59, 6 February 2018 (UTC) Delete: While there is a Ray series (as shown here), this template doesn't have enough entries to keep. Namcokid47 (talk) 01:29, 6 February 2018 (UTC) The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).


Completed discussions[edit] This page has a backlog that requires the attention of willing editors. Please remove this notice if and when the backlog is cleared. The contents of this section are transcluded from Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Holding cell (edit) If process guidelines are met, move templates to the appropriate subsection here to prepare to delete. Before deleting a template, ensure that it is not in use on any pages (other than talk pages where eliminating the link would change the meaning of a prior discussion), by checking Special:Whatlinkshere for '(transclusion)'. Consider placing {{Being deleted}} on the template page. Closing discussions[edit] The closing procedures are outlined at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Administrator instructions. To review[edit] Templates for which each transclusion requires individual attention and analysis before the template is deleted. Template:Historical information needed2017 December 16 – Historical information needed ( links | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases ) To merge[edit] Templates to be merged into another template. Arts[edit] RFC on 7 March 2017 – merge {{infobox single}} and {{infobox song}}. Discussion at Template talk:Infobox song#Beginning merger proceedings with "infobox single". Template:Audiosample2017 May 10 – Audiosample ( links | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases ) merge with {{Extra music sample}} Jc86035, I notice you've moved this template and have done some work - why the duplication with (now) {{audio sample}}, and how is the progress coming in finishing this merge? Primefac (talk) 18:15, 20 October 2017 (UTC) @Primefac: Would have been done sooner, but I was planning to substitute all the other templates in the group along with these two in one go ({{Infobox single}}, {{Infobox album}}, {{Extra chronology}} and so on). This is stalled because subtemplate nesting errors (415) and formatting errors (7,240), which have to be fixed first, could not all be automatically fixed with AWB, due to limits in my regex writing, the obscene amount of variation in formatting errors, people not filling in all the data, and the lack of graceful fallback to not showing dates for chronologies due to the Lua regexes being written with parser functions instead of Scribunto (I don't know why I did this but it's not worth fixing at this point because the categories will take forever to repopulate). I am unable to write Python so pywikibot is out of the question unless someone else does the rest of the fixes. Possibly superfluous descriptions (438) in the audio sample templates also need to be gone through but I never got around to it. Jc86035 (talk) 03:21, 21 October 2017 (UTC) Template:Infobox_Chinese-language_singer_and_actor2017 November 26 – Infobox_Chinese-language_singer_and_actor ( links | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases ) merge Template:Infobox Chinese-language singer and actor into Template:Infobox person (transition to Template:Infobox musical artist as needed) Geography, politics and governance[edit] Template:Infobox former country2016 December 23 – Infobox former country ( links | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases ) - merge into {{infobox country}}, leaving a redirect. See discussion for full details. Template:Education_in_the_Isle_of_Man2018 February 9 – Education_in_the_Isle_of_Man ( links | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases ) Template:Isle_of_Man2018 February 9 – Isle_of_Man ( links | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases ) Religion[edit] Template:Infobox Christian church body2017 March 5 – Infobox Christian church body ( links | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases ) - merge with {{Infobox Christian denomination}}. Final name for the merged template should be discussed. Templates to be converted / wrapped to {{Infobox religious building}} Template:Infobox Tibetan Buddhist monastery2017 March 19 – Infobox Tibetan Buddhist monastery ( links | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases ) Template:Infobox Hindu temple2017 March 28 – Infobox Hindu temple ( links | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases ) Template:Politics of the Holy See2017 May 5 – Politics of the Holy See ( links | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases ) - merge with {{Politics of Vatican City}} Template:Infobox_Philippine_mythology2017 September 26 – Infobox_Philippine_mythology ( links | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases ) Template:Infobox_Dalai_Lama2017 October 4 – Infobox_Dalai_Lama ( links | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases ) Sports[edit] None currently Transport[edit] None currently Other[edit] Template:Infobox_fracture2017 October 12 – Infobox_fracture ( links | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases ) - merge with {{Infobox_medical_condition}} Template:Manchester_and_Milford_Railway2017 October 25 – Manchester_and_Milford_Railway ( links | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases ) Template:IUPAC spelling US2018 January 24 – IUPAC spelling US ( links | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases ) → {{American English}} You know, I know this isn't really the place to discuss this but the IUPAC templates are only used on a grand total of 12 transclusions. Does it make sense to add a parameter to a template used 5000+ times? Then again I don't too much about templates.. Galobtter (pingó mió) 15:35, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Adding parameters is easy; the existing uses of the template won't see any change since they're not using the new parameter. Primefac (talk) 15:44, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Template:IUPAC spelling2018 January 24 – IUPAC spelling ( links | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases ) → {{British English}} Template:British English Oxford spelling2018 January 24 – British English Oxford spelling ( links | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases ) → {{British English}} Template:Infobox_UK_school2018 January 17 – Infobox_UK_school ( links | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases ) - merge into {{Infobox_school}} if technically feasible Template:MultiLicenceWithCC-ByNCSA-IntEng-3.02018 February 15 – MultiLicenceWithCC-ByNCSA-IntEng-3.0 ( links | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases ) Meta[edit] Template:Infobox Chinese2017 April 7 – Infobox Chinese ( links | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases ) – merge with {{Infobox_name_module}} Template:Infobox East Asian name2017 May 26 – Infobox East Asian name ( links | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases ) - this is being merged into {{infobox Chinese}} Template:V2017 March 5 – V ( links | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases ) – merge with {{Navbar}} Template:View2017 March 5 – View ( links | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases ) – merge with {{Navbar}} Template:Details2017 October 26 – Details ( links | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases ) – merge into {{Further}} Primefac A working merged version should be Module:Details/sandbox - it works with test-cases and preserves the label functionality of {{further}} (actually i don't know if that ability is even used, but whatever) and the ability to specify a topic from {{details}}; don't have too much experience with this so do you think everything is good to go? Galobtter (pingó mió) 17:18, 16 February 2018 (UTC) To convert[edit] Templates for which the consensus is that they ought to be converted to categories, lists or portals are put here until the conversion is completed. None currently To substitute[edit] Templates for which the consensus is that all instances should be substituted (i.e. the template should be merged with the article) are put here until the substitutions are completed. After this is done, the template is deleted from template space. Template:WikiProject Superleague Formula2017 June 15 – WikiProject Superleague Formula ( links | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases ) - merge with {{WikiProject Motorsport}} - only pages left have both templates, so the template calls themselves will need to be merged To orphan[edit] These templates are to be deleted, but may still be in use on some pages. Somebody (it doesn't need to be an administrator, anyone can do it) should fix and/or remove significant usages from pages so that the templates can be deleted. Note that simple references to them from Talk: pages should not be removed. Add on bottom and remove from top of list (oldest is on top). None currently Ready for deletion[edit] Templates for which consensus to delete has been reached, and for which orphaning has been completed, can be listed here for an administrator to delete. Remove from this list when an item has been deleted. If these are to be candidates for speedy deletion, please give a specific reason. See also {{Deleted template}}, an option to delete templates while retaining them for displaying old page revisions. Template:Golf_courses_in_the_Metropolitan_Borough_of_Wirral2018 February 11 – Golf_courses_in_the_Metropolitan_Borough_of_Wirral ( links | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases ) Template:Indonesia_at_the_2016_Summer_Olympics2018 February 11 – Indonesia_at_the_2016_Summer_Olympics ( links | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases ) Template:Four_Great_Classical_Novels_Television_Series2018 February 15 – Four_Great_Classical_Novels_Television_Series ( links | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases ) Template:2017–18_Catholic_Conference_Hockey_standings2018 February 15 – 2017–18_Catholic_Conference_Hockey_standings ( links | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases ) Template:2016–17_Catholic_Conference_Hockey_standings2018 February 15 – 2016–17_Catholic_Conference_Hockey_standings ( links | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases ) Template:2008–09_Catholic_Conference_Hockey_standings2018 February 15 – 2008–09_Catholic_Conference_Hockey_standings ( links | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases )


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