Contents 1 Before listing a redirect for discussion 2 The guiding principles of RfD 3 When should we delete a redirect? 3.1 Reasons for deleting 3.2 Reasons for not deleting 3.3 Neutrality of redirects 4 Closing notes 5 How to list a redirect for discussion 6 Current list 6.1 February 24 6.1.1 Silver Wish Games 6.1.2 LS3D engine 6.1.3 Bussing 6.1.4 Dae kim 6.1.5 2030 Winter Olympics 6.1.6 Jerry Lundegaard (Fargo character) 6.2 February 23 6.2.1 James M.Cox, Jr. 6.2.2 About hamsters 6.2.3 Rabbitology 6.2.4 Piggeh 6.2.5 Chazer 6.2.6 User:PK2/Template:Infobox Broadcast 6.2.7 User:PK2/Template:Infobox broadcast 6.2.8 Feature OS 6.2.9 Pennington House (Clarksville, House) 6.2.10 Boiled beans 6.2.11 Mexican rice 6.2.12 Enchilada sauce 6.2.13 Now we're dancing on a fine line 6.2.14 I'm friends with the monster 6.2.15 Death fuck 6.2.16 Turban family 6.3 February 22 6.3.1 Love of South and North 6.3.2 Tally board 6.3.3 GameCube Linux 6.3.4 List of towns and locations in Xenogears 6.3.5 Yggdrasil (sand submarine) 6.3.6 Miirame 6.3.7 Wii Stream 6.3.8 Nintendo feel 6.3.9 Wii U Panorama View 6.3.10 Wikipedia:400 6.3.11 Video game console redirects that begin with "The" 6.3.12 Autrefois 6.3.13 Studium provinciale 6.3.14 Ultimate Frisbee(sport) 6.3.15 Krazy Kids 6.3.16 You'll shoot your eye out 6.3.17 Turpid 6.3.18 African lions and big cats by country 6.3.19 🙏🏼 6.3.20 Tom Chilton (game developer) 6.3.21 Mounts (World of Warcraft) 6.3.22 Joap 6.3.23 United Airlines Flight 1175 6.3.24 HosseinEbrahimi 6.3.25 Mohanlal (2017 film) 6.3.26 The Name Is Rajinikanth 6.3.27 Lady Camilla 6.3.28 Potential Superpowers - France 6.4 February 21 6.4.1 1979 British winter 6.4.2 Warren Graham 6.4.3 Ronaldo's 6.4.4 Various Falcon 9 upper stages 6.4.5 Video Joker 6.4.6 Strymon muskoka 6.4.7 Strymon swetti 6.4.8 Cohort (biology) 6.4.9 Littleport Ice Stadium 6.4.10 DecentralizedAutonomousOrganizations 6.4.11 Machine gun nest 6.5 February 20 6.5.1 Former American Eagle (ship) 6.5.2 Former Baekje 6.5.3 Former Mountain Lodge 6.5.4 Complex Media 6.5.5 Shahram Dabiri 6.5.6 Head rhyme 6.5.7 Tropical Storm Zeke(1992) 6.5.8 Newark Orioles 6.5.9 Characichnos 6.5.10 Chaos Blast 6.5.11 Chaos Energy (Sonic the Hedgehog) 6.5.12 List of items in Sonic games 6.5.13 .DBC 6.5.14 7-1 6.5.15 Sonic (2018 film) 6.5.16 Smallest asteroid 6.5.17 Scarlet Classic 6.5.18 Winter activity 6.5.19 Sliding sport 6.5.20 Capital project Devision & Gandhinagar Road & Building Department 6.6 February 19 6.6.1 Zafari 6.6.2 Rance Warlock 6.6.3 List of Final Fantasy XI locations 6.6.4 Hang Tuah State 6.6.5 List of Tomb Raider characters 6.6.6 List of recurring Tomb Raider characters 6.6.7 Unclean vocals 6.6.8 Black wood 6.6.9 Pokemon/Pikachu 6.6.10 Pokemon/Charmander 6.6.11 Hastuon 6.6.12 L'Affaire Russe 6.6.13 Pork with garlic sauce 6.6.14 Howard Hinton 6.7 February 18 6.7.1 List of planets in the F-Zero series 6.7.2 Delphi Packard Electric Systems 6.7.3 Yellow Light of Death (PS3) 6.7.4 TWIMEN 6.7.5 John Hinder 6.7.6 1985 video games 6.7.7 Shithole 6.7.8 Redirects to List of current UFC fighters 6.7.9 Violations report 6.7.10 OSO accolades 6.7.11 Brad Knowles-Tagg 6.7.12 TOKI (satellite) 6.7.13 RV32C 6.7.14 Marc Europe 6.7.15 Zardu Hasselfrau 6.7.16 Internet shorthand notation 6.7.17 Dontang 6.7.18 2005 film of Walt Disney pictures 6.8 February 17 6.8.1 Civitas Counterpoint 6.8.2 Graphics.com 6.8.3 Lost Jewel of Orion 6.8.4 The Lost Jewel of Orion 6.8.5 S. Maria «Regina Pacis» in Ostia mare 6.8.6 Mass trucking 6.9 February 16 6.9.1 Greek Orthodox Ochrid Archbishopric 6.9.2 Tertiary constraint 6.9.3 Quaternary constraint 6.9.4 List of designers of the Final Fantasy series 6.9.5 St. Joseph's High School, Mysore 6.9.6 Slash Puppet 6.9.7 Wacky (behavior) 6.9.8 Repatriation Hospital in Hollywood 6.9.9 Ty Roberts 6.9.10 Dorchester Atheneum 6.9.11 Natan de Breslov 6.9.12 Kerala State Television Award for Best Dubbing Artist 6.9.13 2018 TCR BeNeLux Touring Car Championship 6.9.14 Investec South African Women's Open 6.9.15 Hill People's Union 6.9.16 Mon Foring 6.9.17 Shopno Bari 6.9.18 Paramount Network Sports 6.9.19 Spike Sports 6.9.20 Lady xorn 6.9.21 List of Road FC Featherwegiht Champions 6.9.22 Best novels ever 6.9.23 Monster rabbit 6.9.24 Dark Cloud 3 6.9.25 Stinky monkey 6.9.26 A Monster 6.9.27 Stink bug australia 6.9.28 Kunjali Marakkar (2014 film) 6.9.29 Monsters and imaginary beasts 6.9.30 Siedem brudne słowa 6.9.31 Waiting for Sugar Man 6.9.32 Butt rash 6.9.33 Toothpaste list 6.9.34 Redirects to Insult 6.9.35 No money no family 6.9.36 Boiled beans 6.9.37 Shit dick 6.9.38 Enchilada sauce 6.9.39 Mexican rice 6.9.40 Now we're dancing on a fine line 6.9.41 I'm friends with the monster 6.9.42 Death fuck 6.9.43 Cutie Pie Snack Pies 6.9.44 Turmp 6.9.45 Turban family


Before listing a redirect for discussion[edit] Please be aware of these general policies, which apply here as elsewhere: Wikipedia:Redirect – what redirects are, why they exist, and how they are used. Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion – which pages can be deleted without discussion; in particular the "General" and "Redirects" sections. Wikipedia:Deletion policy – how we delete things by consensus. Wikipedia:Guide to deletion – guidelines on discussion format and shorthand.


The guiding principles of RfD[edit] Shortcut WP:RGUIDE The purpose of a good redirect is to eliminate the possibility that readers will find themselves staring blankly at a "Search results 1–10 out of 378" result instead of the article they were looking for. If someone could plausibly enter the redirect's name when searching for the target article, it's a good redirect. Redirects are cheap. They take up little storage space and use very little bandwidth. It doesn't really hurt things if there are a few of them scattered around. On the flip side, deleting redirects is also cheap because recording the deletion takes up little storage space and uses very little bandwidth. There is no harm in deleting problematic redirects. If a good-faith RfD nomination has no discussion, the default result is delete. Redirects nominated in contravention of Wikipedia:Redirect will be speedily kept. RfD can also serve as a central discussion forum for debates about which page a redirect should target. In cases where retargeting the redirect could be considered controversial, it is advisable to leave a notice on the talk page of the redirect's current target page or the proposed target page to refer readers to the redirect's nomination to allow input and help form consensus for the redirect's target. Requests for deletion of redirects from one page's talk page to another's do not need to be listed here. Anyone can remove the redirect by blanking the page. The G6 criterion for speedy deletion may be appropriate. In discussions, always ask yourself whether or not a redirect would be helpful to the reader.


When should we delete a redirect?[edit] Shortcut WP:RFD#HARMFUL Further information: Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Common outcomes The major reasons why deletion of redirects is harmful are: a redirect may contain nontrivial edit history; if a redirect is reasonably old (or a redirect is created as a result of moving a page that has been there for quite some time), then it is quite possible that its deletion will break links in old, historical versions of some other articles—such an event is very difficult to envision and even detect. Note that there could exist (for example), links to the URL "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attorneygate" anywhere on the Internet. If so, then those links might not show up by checking for (clicking on) "WhatLinksHere for Attorneygate"—since those links might come from somewhere outside Wikipedia. Therefore consider the deletion only of either really harmful redirects or of very recent ones. Shortcut WP:RFD#DELETE Reasons for deleting[edit] You might want to delete a redirect if one or more of the following conditions is met (but note also the exceptions listed below this list): The redirect page makes it unreasonably difficult for users to locate similarly named articles via the search engine. For example, if the user searches for "New Articles", and is redirected to a disambiguation page for "Articles", it would take much longer to get to the newly added articles on Wikipedia. The redirect might cause confusion. For example, if "Adam B. Smith" was redirected to "Andrew B. Smith", because Andrew was accidentally called Adam in one source, this could cause confusion with the article on Adam Smith, so the redirect should be deleted. The redirect is offensive or abusive, such as redirecting "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" to "Joe Bloggs" (unless "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" is legitimately discussed in the article), or "Joe Bloggs" to "Loser". (Speedy deletion criterion G10 may apply.) See also: § Neutrality of redirects. The redirect constitutes self-promotion or spam. (Speedy deletion criterion G11 may apply.) The redirect makes no sense, such as redirecting Apple to Orange. (Speedy deletion criterion G1 may apply.) It is a cross-namespace redirect out of article space, such as one pointing into the User or Wikipedia namespace. The major exception to this rule are the pseudo-namespace shortcut redirects, which technically are in the main article space. Some long-standing cross-namespace redirects are also kept because of their long-standing history and potential usefulness. "MOS:" redirects, for example, are an exception to this rule. (Note "WP:" redirects are in the Wikipedia namespace, WP: being an alias for Wikipedia:. Speedy deletion criterion R2 may apply in some cases.) If the redirect is broken, meaning it redirects to itself or to an article that does not exist, it can be immediately deleted under speedy deletion criterion G8, though you should check that there is not an alternative place it could be appropriately redirected to first. If the redirect is a novel or very obscure synonym for an article name, it is unlikely to be useful. In particular, redirects from a foreign language title to a page whose subject is unrelated to that language (or a culture that speaks that language) should generally not be created. Implausible typos or misnomers are candidates for speedy deletion criterion R3, if recently created. If the target article needs to be moved to the redirect title, but the redirect has been edited before and has a history of its own, then it needs to be deleted to make way for move. If the move is uncontroversial, tag the redirect for G6 speedy deletion. If not, take the article to Requested Moves. If the redirect could plausibly be expanded into an article, and the target article contains virtually no information on the subject. Shortcut WP:RFD#KEEP Reasons for not deleting[edit] However, avoid deleting such redirects if: They have a potentially useful page history, or an edit history that should be kept to comply with the licensing requirements for a merge (see Wikipedia:Merge and delete). On the other hand, if the redirect was created by renaming a page with that name, and the page history just mentions the renaming, and for one of the reasons above you want to delete the page, copy the page history to the Talk page of the article it redirects to. The act of renaming is useful page history, and even more so if there has been discussion on the page name. They would aid accidental linking and make the creation of duplicate articles less likely, whether by redirecting a plural to a singular, by redirecting a frequent misspelling to a correct spelling, by redirecting a misnomer to a correct term, by redirecting to a synonym, etc. In other words, redirects with no incoming links are not candidates for deletion on those grounds because they are of benefit to the browsing user. Some extra vigilance by editors will be required to minimize the occurrence of those frequent misspellings in the article texts because the linkified misspellings will not appear as broken links. They aid searches on certain terms. For example, if someone sees the "Keystone State" mentioned somewhere but does not know what that refers to, then he or she will be able to find out at the Pennsylvania (target) article. You risk breaking incoming or internal links by deleting the redirect. For example, redirects resulting from page moves should not normally be deleted without good reason. Links that have existed for a significant length of time, including CamelCase links and old subpage links, should be left alone in case there are any existing links on external pages pointing to them. See also Wikipedia:Link rot § Link rot on non-Wikimedia sites. Someone finds them useful. Hint: If someone says they find a redirect useful, they probably do. You might not find it useful—this is not because the other person is being untruthful, but because you browse Wikipedia in different ways. The pageviews tool can also provide evidence of outside utility. The redirect is to a closely related word form, such as a plural form to a singular form. The redirect could plausibly be expanded into an article, and deleting the redirect would prevent unregistered users from expanding the redirect, and thereby make the encyclopedia harder to edit and reduce the pool of available editors. (Unregistered users cannot create new pages in the mainspace; they can only edit existing pages, including redirects, which they can expand.) This criterion does not apply to redirects that are indefinitely semi-protected or more highly protected. Neutrality of redirects[edit] Shortcut WP:RNEUTRAL Just as article titles using non-neutral language are permitted in some circumstances, so are redirects. Because redirects are less visible to readers, more latitude is allowed in their names. Perceived lack of neutrality in redirect names is therefore not a sufficient reason for their deletion. In most cases, non-neutral but verifiable redirects should point to neutrally titled articles about the subject of the term. Non-neutral redirects may be tagged with {{R from non-neutral name}}. Non-neutral redirects are commonly created for three reasons: Articles that are created using non-neutral titles are routinely moved to a new neutral title, which leaves behind the old non-neutral title as a working redirect (e.g. Climategate → Climatic Research Unit email controversy). Articles created as POV forks may be deleted and replaced by a redirect pointing towards the article from which the fork originated (e.g. Barack Obama Muslim rumor → deleted and now redirected to Barack Obama religion conspiracy theories). The subject matter of articles may be represented by some sources outside Wikipedia in non-neutral terms. Such terms are generally avoided in Wikipedia article titles, per the words to avoid guidelines and the general neutral point of view policy. For instance the non-neutral expression "Attorneygate" is used to redirect to the neutrally titled Dismissal of U.S. attorneys controversy. The article in question has never used that title, but the redirect was created to provide an alternative means of reaching it because a number of press reports use the term. The exceptions to this rule would be redirects that are not established terms and are unlikely to be useful, and therefore may be nominated for deletion, perhaps under deletion reason #3. However, if a redirect represents an established term that is used in multiple mainstream reliable sources, it should be kept even if non-neutral, as it will facilitate searches on such terms. Please keep in mind that RfD is not the place to resolve most editorial disputes. See also: Policy on which redirects can be deleted immediately.


Closing notes[edit] Details at: Administrator instructions for RfD. Nominations should remain open, per policy, about a week before they are closed, unless they meet the general criteria for speedy deletion, the criteria for speedy deletion of a redirect, or are not valid redirect discussion requests (e.g. are actually move requests).


How to list a redirect for discussion[edit] Shortcut WP:RFD#HOWTO I. Tag the redirect.   Enter {{subst:rfd|content= at the very beginning of the redirect page you are listing for discussion, and enter }} at the very end. Example: {{subst:rfd|content=#REDIRECT [[Foo]]{{R from move}}}} Please do not mark the edit as minor (m). Please include in the edit summary the phrase: Nominated for RFD: see [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion]]. Save the page. If you are unable to edit the redirect page because of protection, this step can be omitted, and after step 2 is completed, a request to add the RFD template can be put on the redirect's talk page. If the redirect you are nominating is in template namespace, consider adding |showontransclusion=1 to the rfd tag so that people using the template redirect are aware of the nomination II. List the entry on RfD.  Click here to edit the section of RfD for today's entries. Enter this text below the date heading: {{subst:rfd2|redirect=RedirectName|target=TargetArticle|text=The action you would like to occur (deletion, re-targeting, etc.) and the rationale for that action.}} ~~~~ For this template: Put the redirect's name in place of RedirectName, put the target article's name in place of TargetArticle, and include a reason after text=. Note that, for this step, the "target article" is the current target of the redirect (if you have a suggestion for a better target, include this in the text that you insert after text=). Please use an edit summary such as: Nominating [[RedirectName]] (replacing RedirectName with the name of the redirect you are nominating). To list multiple related redirects for discussion, use the following syntax. Repeat line 2 for N number of redirects: {{subst:rfd2|redirect=RedirectName1|target=TargetArticle1}} {{subst:rfd2|multi=yes|redirect=RedirectName2|target=TargetArticle2}} {{subst:rfd2|multi=yes|redirect=RedirectNameN|target=TargetArticleN|text=The actions you would like to occur (deletion, re-targeting, etc.) and the rationale for those actions.}} ~~~~ If the redirect has had previous RfDs, you can add {{Oldrfdlist|previous RfD without brackets|result of previous RfD}} directly after the rfd2 template. III. Notify users.   It is generally considered good practice to notify the creator and main contributors to the redirect that you are nominating the redirect. To find the main contributors, look in the page history of the redirect. For convenience, the template {{subst:RFDNote|RedirectName}} ~~~~ may be placed on the creator/main contributors' user talk page to provide notice of the discussion. Please replace RedirectName with the name of the redirect and use an edit summary such as: Notice of redirect discussion at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion]] Please consider using What links here to locate other redirects that may be related to the one you are nominating. After going to the redirect target page and selecting "What links here" in the toolbox on the left side of your computer screen, select both "Hide transclusions" and "Hide links" filters to display the redirects to the redirect target page. If this page has been recently modified, it may not reflect the most recent changes. Please purge this page to view the most recent changes.


Current list[edit] February 24[edit] Silver Wish Games[edit] Silver Wish Games → 2K Czech  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Not in target article, not in sources (actually, sources suggest that the two are not related). Lordtobi (✉) 11:45, 24 February 2018 (UTC) LS3D engine[edit] LS3D engine → 2K Czech  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  LS3D → 2K Czech  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Not in target article, not in sources. Lordtobi (✉) 11:43, 24 February 2018 (UTC) Bussing[edit] Bussing → Desegregation busing  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Retarget to Student transport or Bus. A British term probably shouldn't redirect to a topic that deals with the United States. feminist (talk) 08:56, 24 February 2018 (UTC) Dae kim[edit] Dae kim → Daniel Dae Kim  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Delete per strong consensus on previous middle+last redirects (e.g. the whole bunch starting at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 December 7#Carlos Santacruz). Miscapitalised; "Dae" is not his given name either in English or Korean; and sources do not use "Dae Kim" to refer to him, they use it to refer to people whose names are actually Dae Kim. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 07:01, 24 February 2018 (UTC) 2030 Winter Olympics[edit] 2030 Winter Olympics → Winter Olympic Games  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  2030 Olympics → Winter Olympic Games  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  The target article contains no information on the 2030 Winter Olympics. -- Tavix (talk) 02:56, 24 February 2018 (UTC) For a less lazy rationale, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 May 23#2032 Summer Olympics. -- Tavix (talk) 03:02, 24 February 2018 (UTC) Jerry Lundegaard (Fargo character)[edit] Jerry Lundegaard (Fargo character) → Fargo (film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  This redirect is no longer necessary as it no longer links to article space, only to a user's sandbox. The Old JacobiteThe '45 00:10, 24 February 2018 (UTC) Keep. The character is mentioned in the target article. (No incoming links is not rationale for deletion if the redirect itself is useful.) Steel1943 (talk) 00:22, 24 February 2018 (UTC) February 23[edit] James M.Cox, Jr.[edit] James M.Cox, Jr. → James M. Cox Jr.  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Name is not stylized with M.Cox like that. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 22:36, 23 February 2018 (UTC) About hamsters[edit] About hamsters → Hamster  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Due to lack of precedence to use "about" in this manner for redirects, this is both implausible and possible a magnet for incorrect searches when the word "about" is used in Wikipedia's search function. Steel1943 (talk) 22:15, 23 February 2018 (UTC) Delete per nom. Not a notable book title either. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 22:37, 23 February 2018 (UTC) Rabbitology[edit] Rabbitology → Rabbit  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  As a word, this seems WP:MADEUP. Steel1943 (talk) 21:24, 23 February 2018 (UTC) To add, I mean, if this isn't a real word, should Dogology, Catology, and Pigology be created as well? Steel1943 (talk) 21:25, 23 February 2018 (UTC) Delete it's sort of a real word, but there's two problems, since first as sources note it's very vague [1], and second we don't have any specific articles or categories or anything for the biologists and ecologists and other kinds of scientists who specialise in leporidae; all we've got is cuniculture, which is just one aspect of what you might call "rabbitology". 59.149.124.29 (talk) 06:13, 24 February 2018 (UTC) Piggeh[edit] Piggeh → Pig  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Unnecessary slang/not Urban Dictionary. Also, this redirect seems to have some sort of affinity to PewDiePie per third party search engines. Steel1943 (talk) 21:22, 23 February 2018 (UTC) Delete per nom as WP:NOTNEO. Revisit if PewDiePie makes it his catchphrase beyond a handful of mentions. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 22:39, 23 February 2018 (UTC) Chazer[edit] Chazer → Pig  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  WP:FORRED. Pigs are not exclusively Hebrew. Steel1943 (talk) 21:19, 23 February 2018 (UTC) User:PK2/Template:Infobox Broadcast[edit] User:PK2/Template:Infobox Broadcast → Template:Infobox broadcast  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Userspace #redirect (with no incoming links) to a template.   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  18:33, 23 February 2018 (UTC) User:PK2/Template:Infobox broadcast[edit] User:PK2/Template:Infobox broadcast → Template:Infobox broadcast  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Userspace #redirect (with no incoming links) to a template.   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  18:32, 23 February 2018 (UTC) Feature OS[edit] Feature OS → Series 30+  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  There are no indication that "Feature OS" is actually related to the "Series 30+" platform C933103 (talk) 17:49, 23 February 2018 (UTC) Pennington House (Clarksville, House)[edit] Pennington House (Clarksville, House) → Pennington House (Clarksville, Arkansas)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ] Talk:Pennington House (Clarksville, House) → Talk:Pennington House (Clarksville, Arkansas)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Delete as implausible typo. The typo showed up 9 years ago and stuck when the article was created. Not recent, so it probably doesn't qualify for R3. kennethaw88 • talk 07:20, 23 February 2018 (UTC) Delete per nom. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 14:51, 23 February 2018 (UTC) Boiled beans[edit] Boiled beans → Bean  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  The word "boiled" in nowhere in the target article. I would have thought such a redirect could be targeted to List of legume dishes, but it's not mentioned there either. Steel1943 (talk) 00:29, 16 February 2018 (UTC) I would have thought this could refer to baked beans, which are normally stewed rather than baked. Is there enough of a difference between stewing and boiling? – Uanfala (talk) 03:01, 18 February 2018 (UTC) I wouldn't consider Baked beans synonymous with this redirect at all. Any beans can be boiled, just like one boils pasta. However, as you state, "baked beans" are different, including that they are mixed with a sauce (usually tomato based) whereas the only two ingredients required to boil beans are beans and water. Steel1943 (talk) 03:30, 18 February 2018 (UTC) Keep Boiled beans needs some sort of redirect along the lines of "Baked beans" and until a better one is suggested, keep as is. Bod (talk) 04:36, 18 February 2018 (UTC) If there is no accurate target for that redirect, it actually doesn't need a target, nor needs to exist. In a case like this, deleting the redirect so that Wikipedia's search function can be used is preferable. Steel1943 (talk) 06:08, 18 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Killiondude (talk) 07:08, 23 February 2018 (UTC) Refine to Bean#Toxins as boiling is suggested in the article as a method of removing some toxins and killing bacteria. If there's another bean-related article that goes into this process or discusses this as a dish then that would be helpful. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 14:41, 23 February 2018 (UTC) I could support that suggestion if this redirect's title was "Boiling beans", but the use of the word "boiled" makes this redirect more sound like some sort of specific dish. (But agreed, from my understanding, all beans need to be boiled to remove their natural toxins, so maybe that suggestion is appropriate.) Steel1943 (talk) 14:51, 23 February 2018 (UTC) Mexican rice[edit] Mexican rice → Spanish rice  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Mexican-style rice → Spanish rice  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Mexican rice and Spanish rice are two different recipes for rice; Spanish rice uses a tomato base and turns out red, whereas Mexican rice doesn't use a tomato base, and its finished product turns the rice yellow. Either way, having one redirect to the other does not make sense. Steel1943 (talk) 00:14, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Comment: Mexican rice is a {{R from merge}}. Steel1943 (talk) 00:19, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Delete like apple pie -> pumpkin pie. Legacypac (talk) 00:41, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Keep Although surprised by the redirect myself, the target article explains that the dish is unheard of in Spain and is a Mexican-style rice dish. Unless the nominators claim can be backed up by sources. The redirects need some sort of target...Bod (talk) 04:43, 18 February 2018 (UTC) Per WP:REDLINK, since the redirect is not synonymous with its target, it doesn't. Best to delete the redirect so that the subject can be created. In fact, the content at Spanish rice which you refer was a merge from the content that was formerly at Mexican rice. Possibly the best shirt-term solution is to restore the content at Mexican rice (while removing the related content from Spanish rice), then retargeting Mexican-style rice there. (However, I'm not even sure that he content formerly at Mexican rice is even accurate; I think as an article, it would be deleted at WP:AFD.) Steel1943 (talk) 06:07, 18 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Killiondude (talk) 07:07, 23 February 2018 (UTC) Enchilada sauce[edit] Enchilada sauce → Enchilada  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Red enchilada sauce → Enchilada  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Delete both per WP:REDLINK unless there is an article which actually identifies these sauces. Steel1943 (talk) 00:23, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Keep both, possibly refining to Enchilada#Varieties, which explains that "enchilada sauce" isn't really just one thing but depends on the variety of enchilada and gives a detailed list of examples, with an explicit mention of "red enchilada sauce". 59.149.124.29 (talk) 04:13, 21 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Killiondude (talk) 07:07, 23 February 2018 (UTC) Now we're dancing on a fine line[edit] Now we're dancing on a fine line → Mabel (singer)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  WP:NOTLYRICS. Steel1943 (talk) 00:13, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Killiondude (talk) 07:06, 23 February 2018 (UTC) Delete not seeing the news articles usually associated with notable lyrics. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 14:51, 23 February 2018 (UTC) I'm friends with the monster[edit] I'm friends with the monster → The Monster (song)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  WP:NOTLYRICS. Steel1943 (talk) 00:12, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Killiondude (talk) 07:06, 23 February 2018 (UTC) Weak keep as mentioned in Billboard [2] Popcrush [3] and a random feature from The Sun [4] AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 14:49, 23 February 2018 (UTC) Death fuck[edit] Death fuck → F.O.D. (Fuck of Death)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Unlikely {{R from incorrect name}} per the format of its target article's title. Steel1943 (talk) 00:12, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Killiondude (talk) 07:06, 23 February 2018 (UTC) Turban family[edit] Turban family → Turban squash  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  I fail to see how this is either helpful or a likely search term. Steel1943 (talk) 00:08, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Killiondude (talk) 07:06, 23 February 2018 (UTC) Create Turban (disambiguation) and redirect as Turbinidae is the family name for the turban snail, and it isn't clear from the article whether the family name is for the squash. The dab page can then handle people whose last name is Turban. There is also Turbin which is a set index article with people with that last name. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:25, 23 February 2018 (UTC) Comment Draft:Turban (disambiguation), though I'm not really convinced that either the squash or the snails can just be called "Turban" (and the squash doesn't seem to be a family). I suppose someone might be looking for the family of Ingolf Turban (de) and Dietlinde Turban, but as you can see we don't have an article on the former over here. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 06:06, 24 February 2018 (UTC) February 22[edit] Love of South and North[edit] Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: withdrawn. Tally board[edit] Tally board → Score  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Redirect to a dab page; not obvious which of the many entries would be an appropriate target, but term is not appropriate as a redirect to the dab page itself. PamD 23:02, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Retarget to Tally (voting) as most notable usage and hatnote to Tally (disambiguation) and Standings (for leader board in sports) as other options. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 15:02, 23 February 2018 (UTC) GameCube Linux[edit] GameCube Linux → GameCube  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Gamecube Linux → GameCube  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  It's unclear what these redirects refer to. The word "Linux" is not present in the target article. Steel1943 (talk) 17:46, 15 February 2018 (UTC) Delete Not mentioned.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 18:16, 15 February 2018 (UTC) Comment. I just discovered Nintendo GameCube Linux, which was previously an article. At the present time, I'm not sure if it should be restored and the nominated redirects retargeted there (then the article probably should be sent to WP:AFD), or this nomination should stand as is. Either way, since Nintendo GameCube Linux has substantial edit history, I don't believe that it should be grouped with this nomination. (Pinging Czar since they redirected Nintendo GameCube Linux - diff.) Steel1943 (talk) 18:39, 15 February 2018 (UTC) My stance stands unless GameCube Linux is proven notable, which I doubt.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 18:43, 15 February 2018 (UTC) GameCube Linux is not independently notable, based on the sourcing. Their first release had some coverage[5][6] but at best I would just include that as a sentence in the main GameCube article. This topic should really be covered along GameCube homebrew, which together might only warrant a single combined sentence in the main article. That said, this is a topic for which readers are likely to search and one that we can cover, even if only if brief, within the main article. Retain redirects. czar 10:22, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Killiondude (talk) 21:18, 22 February 2018 (UTC) List of towns and locations in Xenogears[edit] List of towns and locations in Xenogears → Xenogears  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Towns and Locations (Xenogears) → Xenogears  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Delete per WP:GAMECRUFT. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 06:19, 15 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Killiondude (talk) 21:17, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Delete "Towns and Locations (Xenogears)" definitely isn't needed and the other one seems like it would be too oddly specific to be of any use. ALH (talk) 10:33, 23 February 2018 (UTC) Comment: List of towns and locations in Xenogears is a {{R with history}}. Steel1943 (talk) 14:54, 23 February 2018 (UTC) Yggdrasil (sand submarine)[edit] Yggdrasil (sand submarine) → Xenogears  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Disambiguation is too WP:INUNIVERSE and is therefore misleading. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 06:16, 15 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Killiondude (talk) 21:17, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Delete per the nomination. ALH (talk) 10:26, 23 February 2018 (UTC) Delete per nom. Steel1943 (talk) 14:52, 23 February 2018 (UTC) Miirame[edit] Miirame → Mii  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Seems that this is the Spanish translation of the word "Mii", so delete per WP:FORRED. Steel1943 (talk) 19:01, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Delete not appearing in news sources. May also interfere with Mírame, unless you'd rather retarget that. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 19:59, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Wii Stream[edit] Wii Stream → Wii U  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Nintendo Stream → Wii U  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  The Wii U can stream, and can have content streamed to its gamepad from the console, but I don't see anything on an actual topic called "Wii Stream" or "Nintendo Stream". --BDD (talk) 17:13, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Delete per nom. Revisit if those particular products or services are highlighted. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 20:15, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Comment: "Nintendo Stream" was a rumored name for the Wii U prior to its announcement.--Alexandra IDVtalk 11:39, 23 February 2018 (UTC) Nintendo feel[edit] Nintendo feel → Wii U  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  I'm guessing this was a speculated name for the Wii U, but the term isn't used in the article now, so it seems a very unlikely search term. BDD (talk) 17:12, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Delete per nom, not mentioned in older articles as working title. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 20:16, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Wii U Panorama View[edit] Wii U Panorama View → Wii U#Wii U Panorama View  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Nonexistent section, concept not mentioned elsewhere in the article. Unclear what this is referring to. --BDD (talk) 17:10, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Retarget and delink from List of Wii U games#Applications which houses other apps for the Wii U. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 20:19, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Wikipedia:400[edit] Wikipedia:400 → Wikipedia:Times that 300 or more Wikipedians supported something  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Context in Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Lourdes_2#General_comments. The obvious problem is the 400 -> 300 redirect, which is kind of confusing. While it is true that there some of the stuff on the 300 page meets the 400 criterion, I do not think this justifies the redirect as-is: we don't go around creating Wikipedia:301, Wikipedia:302 etc. I would say either to create a standalone page for 400 or delete the redirect. The latter option seems workable per Special:WhatLinksHere/Wikipedia:400, there are few uses and almost all of them in archived pages. Pinging @Serial Number 54129 and Ivanvector: who answered to my comment at the RfA page. TigraanClick here to contact me 17:10, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Keep as of right now, as the current target is presently the place where users will find listed times that 400 Wikipedians supported something. If you want to make a new list for 400 (or 400+ or 425 or 438.7352) and then retarget this redirect, go for it. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 18:06, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Keep, this follows the format of WP:100, WP:200, etc. It's plausible someone might think there is a separate list for 400+, but the redirect takes people to the correct list for the times 400+ Wikipedians supported something. I don't buy the WP:301 argument, because it's not plausible for someone to assume there's a list of times 301 Wikipedians supported something. -- Tavix (talk) 18:12, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Keep per Tavix, essentially. People might well expect a WP:400 redirect to exist based on the current numbering scheme but not a WP:314 or WP:267. It can be retargeted if and when a separate page is created but for now the 400+ stuff is on this page, so the redirect makes sense. Regards SoWhy 19:26, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Keep Soft redirect seems helpful and reasonable enough. If the efitor base ever gets large enough (or we just leave off KOing the socks), we will be able to have WP:9000 and WP:9001 L3X1 ◊distænt write◊ 23:10, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Keep per the above keep arguments. Lepricavark (talk) 02:11, 24 February 2018 (UTC) Video game console redirects that begin with "The"[edit] The Nintendo Entertainment System → Nintendo Entertainment System  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  The nintendo revolution → Wii  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  The Dreamcast → Dreamcast  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  The PlayStation → PlayStation  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  The playstation 3 → PlayStation 3  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  The PlayStation 4 → PlayStation 4  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  The nintendo 64 → Nintendo 64  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  The ps3 → PlayStation 3  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  The PS3 → PlayStation 3  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Various redirects which start with "The" and the rest of the title is the name of the console (or codename for the console) which it redirects. I can't see these as likely as they are not names for the consoles themselves. Steel1943 (talk) 17:40, 15 February 2018 (UTC) Weak keep But why delete? Redirects are cheap and this is definitely the correct target. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:43, 15 February 2018 (UTC) Delete all I see no reason why these are necessary, we don't have to append "the" to literally every possible article title.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 17:46, 15 February 2018 (UTC) Kind of my thoughts here. That, and if these are kept, we might as well allow redirects that start with the word "The" to be created for any unique subject on Wikipedia with a proper name. Steel1943 (talk) 17:49, 15 February 2018 (UTC) I find redirects very helpful and we already have plenty of "The" redirects: [7] [8] [9] [10] I could argue that the iPhone and the NES have had comparable amounts of influence. Wqwt (talk) 02:37, 19 February 2018 (UTC) Comment: I added The ps3 and The PS3 to this discussion after the above comments. (Sending courtesy pings to Koavf and Zxcvbnm to ensure their stance applies to the newly nominated redirects as well.) Steel1943 (talk) 17:58, 15 February 2018 (UTC) Thank you. This wouldn't change my !vote but it is considerate. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:04, 15 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BDD (talk) 17:07, 22 February 2018 (UTC) The keep - correct and harmless, per Koavf. The argument that the existence of one kind of redirect necessitates or encourages creation of other kinds of redirect is the tired. So what? They would still be correct and harmless. The Ivanvector (The Talk/The Edits) 18:03, 22 February 2018 (UTC) @Ivanvector: Bit of a silly note here: When I read your "The keep" comment, I read it in the voice of the Starfire character from Teen Titans. And, for some reason, I still am. Steel1943 (talk) 18:30, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Delete all No news articles that indicate the consoles are referred to as such like the Southern California talk for The 101. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 18:14, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Autrefois[edit] Autrefois → Double jeopardy  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  While the word autrefois probably appears more in the context of double jeopardy than it does anywhere else in English, it's still very strange to have a somewhat common word from a major world language redirecting to a legal concept with no real relation to the word's meaning. If it were a more common word, I'd say softly redirect to Wiktionary, but it isn't, and there doesn't seem to be any logical target here on Wikipedia, so I propose we delete.  — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 00:04, 15 February 2018 (UTC) Note: Page's target from '07 to '11 was peremptory plea, a related topic. — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 00:04, 15 February 2018 (UTC) Delete per WP:RFOREIGN — JFG talk 00:14, 15 February 2018 (UTC) Keep or retarget to peremptory plea. There's quite a bit of this usage in the legal context, even on this very encylopedia. The Law French page just points autrefois convict and autrefois acquit to peremptory plea (which they already redirect to) so this would presumably be useful. I recognize that WP:RFOREIGN exists, but this is a case where the foreign word isn't commonly used in English for its French meaning via direct translation, but rather as a specific use — one could even argue that legalese qualifies as "some form of English." There could be an argument for dabification — with links to the two legal terms, Autrefois, Maison Privée, Hang On Little Tomato, Giuseppe Silvestri, La damnation de Faust, and List of compositions by Jules Massenet — but honestly most of those are fairly tenuous and are all meant in the context of the French meaning. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 17:58, 16 February 2018 (UTC) @Amorymeltzer: I agree that RFOREIGN does not apply to the redirects for autrefois acquit and autrefois convict, since Law French is self-evidently relevant to the topic of law. However, as far as I know autrefois is not a freestanding term in Law French. Rather, it appears only in those compounds, in the related term autrefois attaint, and maybe in a few other compounds of which I'm unaware; but never on its own. The fundamental problem here isn't so much one of RFOREIGN, as it is that we're redirecting a foreign word to a topic with which it has only an indirect connection (and this is true in the case of either of the two targets). If the common name here were in English—formerly acquitted, let's say—would it make sense for formerly to redirect to either of these articles? — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 23:07, 16 February 2018 (UTC) I think your analogy isn't quite right. The proper analogy would be if formerly acquitted was used in the French legal system, and the only place the word "formerly" showed up in the French language was in that context. That doesn't seem too crazy to me, but then again I expect to be in the minority here. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 13:58, 17 February 2018 (UTC) Based on this context, I believe the redirect of just "autrefois" is misleading. Legal expressions do not use this word on its own, and they are already appropriately redirected. A reader searching for "autrefois" will see the autrefois acquit and autrefois convict, they should not see a plain "autrefois". — JFG talk 15:02, 17 February 2018 (UTC) Weak keep roughly per Amorymeltzer. Loanwords often end up with absurdly narrowed meanings compared to their original language (c.f. guanxi vs "relationship", apparatchik vs "operator"); this just seems like another example of that. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 18:37, 17 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BDD (talk) 17:00, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Studium provinciale[edit] Studium provinciale → Studium generale  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Deletion. The redirect identifies a studium provinciale and a studium generale; this claim is not substantiated SteveMcCluskey (talk) 14:29, 14 February 2018 (UTC) Support per nom, and WP:PRECISE --Ⓩⓟⓟⓘⓧ Talk 18:49, 14 February 2018 (UTC) Comment: I have fixed it. --Omnipaedista (talk) 22:59, 15 February 2018 (UTC) Thanks for the effort, but I don't see that as a fix. It now redirects from a general term, Studium provinciale, to a specific example, the Pontifical University of Saint Thomas Aquinas. I'll restore the RfD template at the Redirect to continue the discussion. --SteveMcCluskey (talk) 13:55, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BDD (talk) 16:59, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Delete as unhelpful. The retarget is worse. Legacypac (talk) 17:24, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Ultimate Frisbee(sport)[edit] Ultimate Frisbee(sport) → Ultimate (sport)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Unlikely search term lacking space, and (sport) disambiguation is unnecessary; Ultimate Frisbee is unambiguous Plantdrew (talk) 16:55, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Delete - malformed disambiguation. Were it simply unnecessary, we have a tag for that. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 18:09, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Delete per nom, lacking the space. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 21:27, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Krazy Kids[edit] Krazy Kids → Crazy Kids  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ] Legacypac (talk) 23:51, 12 February 2018 (UTC) Krazy kid → Crazy Kids  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  There are many things and places termed Krazy kids and this redirect pushes the target right to the top of google search results, unfairly in my view. There is also The Crazy Kids of the War amd Wild & Crazy Kids Legacypac (talk) 23:49, 12 February 2018 (UTC) Then it will become a disambiguation page? Bod (talk) 05:03, 13 February 2018 (UTC) Keep Krazy Kids Disambiguations are not for partial title matches. It's a plausible typo for Crazy Kids. Delete Krazy kid too many typos to be plausible.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 14:29, 13 February 2018 (UTC) Delete the K version of the phrase has only been used for non-notable businesses. Crazy Kids song is not primary topic. It'd be different if Krazy Kids was the song title and Crazy Kids redirected to it. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 21:17, 17 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Tavix (talk) 15:37, 22 February 2018 (UTC) You'll shoot your eye out[edit] You'll shoot your eye out → Daisy Outdoor Products#Red Ryder BB Gun  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Retarget to A Christmas Story: This particular quote only appears in the aforementioned film and not the product itself. Searchviews would more likely want to be targeted to the film. ToThAc (talk) 15:01, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Retarget per nom. Add R from quote or R from catchphrase. This is definitely tied to the film more so than the product. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 18:06, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Retarget per nom, kid. Ho! Ho! Ho! Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 18:10, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Turpid[edit] Turpid → Moral turpitude  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Redirect from adjective to specific concept seems unhelpful. PamD 21:28, 13 February 2018 (UTC) If it can't be deleted as a WP:NOTDICTIONARY, it should go to Turpitude which is a disambiguation. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 02:53, 14 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943 (talk) 13:25, 22 February 2018 (UTC) African lions and big cats by country[edit] Moroccan lion → Barbary lion  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Botswanan lion → Southern African lion  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Zambian lion → Southern African lion  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Amazonian jaguar → South American jaguar  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Zimbabwean lion → Southern African lion  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Rhodesian lion → Southern African lion  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Namibian lion → Southern African lion  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Mauretanian lion → Barbary lion  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Tanzanian lion → East African lion  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Tunisian lion → Barbary lion  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Libyan lion → Barbary lion  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Term not found in target article: nothing to indicate that this is a useful redirect. PamD 21:56, 13 February 2018 (UTC) I combined these entries as they are generally the same concept of using a nation to describe a lion without any sourcing. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 02:44, 14 February 2018 (UTC) Delete as obscure synonym at best. Closest plausible target that I got was a link to Rhodesian Ridgeback which is also known as the Rhodesian Lion dog. --Lenticel (talk) 00:57, 14 February 2018 (UTC) Keep Namibian lion, Zambian lion, Zimbabwean lion, Algerian lion, Mauretanian lion and Moroccan lion, because I found links to keep these in Southern African lion and Barbary lion. As for Libyan lion, keep it as a redirect to Omar Mukhtar, if not Barbary lion. Leo1pard (talk) 13:48, 14 February 2018 (UTC) @Leo1pard: Adding "External links" is not the way to go about this. If you believe that these alternative names are valid and useful, please add them to the text of the article, using your sources as references. Thanks. PamD 22:28, 15 February 2018 (UTC) I turned links into references to add them and information in them to the texts of Barbary lion, East African lion and Southern African lion. Leo1pard (talk) 07:45, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943 (talk) 13:22, 22 February 2018 (UTC) 🙏🏼[edit] 🙏🏼 → Emoji  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Delete. Redirecting this emoji to Emoji is unhelpful: it is like redirecting a specific letter to Letter (alphabet). See also WP:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 September 9#🙏. Gorobay (talk) 16:54, 13 February 2018 (UTC) Delete, no reason to think that emoji would be linking to Emoji, no obviously better target available. See previous discussion as well. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 17:00, 13 February 2018 (UTC) Retarget to List of gestures. The emoji is ambiguous because it can represent a few different gestures, but the gestures it can represent are listed there. -- Tavix (talk) 17:03, 13 February 2018 (UTC) The problem with that target is that it also lists many gestures that this emoji does not represent, with no indication of which those are. Gorobay (talk) 19:38, 14 February 2018 (UTC) I don't see that as a problem. I believe a searcher would have at least a little bit of competence to figure out which gestures involve folded hands. It's certainly better than giving them nothing. -- Tavix (talk) 19:54, 14 February 2018 (UTC) Keep, although I'm not averse to retargeting. We routinely redirect symbols of all sorts to articles on the general class; see ແ or ະ, both of which are letters of the Lao alphabet and redirects to that article, or ╢ and ╬, both of which are box-drawing characters and redirects to that article. Redlinking such a thing, except to encourage the creation of an article (which I suppose to be highly unlikely for your average emoji), is unhelpful: for the many users whose computers cannot display the emoji, the link helps them determine what the little box is. Nyttend (talk) 23:16, 13 February 2018 (UTC) The difference is that your examples’ targets explain what those characters are. Emoji doesn’t explain what ⟨🙏🏼⟩ is, because it doesn’t, and shouldn’t, list all emoji. Gorobay (talk) 19:38, 14 February 2018 (UTC) Delete as with the previous RFD. Should not be retained unless it has a detailed unicode box like what happened with Japanese postal mark AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 02:46, 14 February 2018 (UTC) I don’t think an article needs to have a detailed Unicode box to be a valid target: it just needs to give information about the character. The target doesn’t even need to use the character in question; many emoji redirect targets don’t. Gorobay (talk) 19:38, 14 February 2018 (UTC) Comment: See Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 March 2#Emoticon or Emoji? for a related discussion. Though I started that discussion, I honestly have no opinion on this one since I feel like this redirect should be WP:G4'ed, but it obviously doesn't qualify, so in this case, I have no opinion about what happens to this redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 03:20, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943 (talk) 13:17, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Delete as the emoji represents a gesture which itself has an ambiguous meaning. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 12:21, 24 February 2018 (UTC) Tom Chilton (game developer)[edit] Tom Chilton (game developer) → World of Warcraft  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Tom Chilton (Game developer) → World of Warcraft  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Tom "Kalgan" Chilton → World of Warcraft  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Not mentioned in target article. Should also be deleted per WP:REDLINK. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 05:51, 4 February 2018 (UTC) Delete per nom.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  06:34, 4 February 2018 (UTC) Keep Tom Chilton (game developer), Delete the others for weird syntax and non-notable nicknames. His article was converted to a redirect in 2016 and he is not independently notable from World of Warcraft developer. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 03:05, 6 February 2018 (UTC) If he is not notable, why redirect to an article where he isn't mentioned?ZXCVBNM (TALK) 05:29, 6 February 2018 (UTC) He's listed in the infobox. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 19:28, 7 February 2018 (UTC) Restore per the history of Tom Chilton (game developer). It doesn't make sense to WP:REDLINK a redirect to encourage article development when there is already an article developed. -- Tavix (talk) 17:56, 9 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ Amory (u • t • c) 14:02, 11 February 2018 (UTC) Pinging @Czar: as the user who turned the article into a redirect. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 14:03, 11 February 2018 (UTC) Restore the first one: As per Tavix. Retarget the others to the restored article. 200.171.226.100 (talk) 15:25, 11 February 2018 (UTC) Retain the first redirect, delete the others. Per my edit summary in 2016, Chilton isn't covered in reliable, secondary sources separate from the topic of World of Warcraft development. If someone has sources to prove his independent notability, feel free to show them, but it makes no sense to restore an article that only has interviews and primary/affiliated sources from the developer if the point of the biography is that he worked on World of Warcraft. If his role in that development is important, cover it in the game's development section summary style. In the meantime, the name is mentioned in the infobox, making the target plausible. czar 15:30, 11 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943 (talk) 13:13, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Mounts (World of Warcraft)[edit] Mounts (World of Warcraft) → World of Warcraft  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Delete per WP:GAMEGUIDE. Barely mentioned within the article itself. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 11:19, 11 February 2018 (UTC) Note: World of warcraft mounts was retargeted to Races and factions of Warcraft ~ Amory (u • t • c) 14:05, 11 February 2018 (UTC) I'll change my rationale to... because there are hundreds of MMO's with mounts and this is the only one disambiguated in this way. Unless we are going to make a "Mounts (Elder Scrolls Online)" or something for every game, we are agreeing that this is unnecessary.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 14:20, 11 February 2018 (UTC) The main problem with this redirect (and with World of warcraft mounts) is that the proposed target isn't particularly helpful: it contains scattered mentions of the mounts the various races use, but there's no content as such. If the redirect is retargeted there, then it will be helpful if at least a sentence or two are added explaining what mounts are and how they work in the context of the game. If someone wants to do that, then they might want to reuse some of the content that was there at that title before it got turned into a redirect. Still, neither of the two redirects are popular: between themselves they receive only about one view per week. – Uanfala (talk) 04:11, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943 (talk) 13:10, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Delete not notable to claim a term in the dab page. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 21:35, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Joap[edit] Joap → Condensation  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Not mentioned at target, not clear what the connection is. Plantdrew (talk) 01:31, 14 February 2018 (UTC) Move to JOAP without redirect, retarget to Oil analysis which discusses the acronym for Joint Oil Analysis Programme. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 02:40, 14 February 2018 (UTC) Support Per AngusWOOF. --Ⓩⓟⓟⓘⓧ Talk 18:55, 14 February 2018 (UTC) Oppose moving the redirect. It's fine if you want to create JOAP → Oil analysis, but that should not be tied with the fate of this redirect. I'd lean more towards deletion anyway. Joint Oil Analysis Program is a redlink there, so someone thinks its notable. -- Tavix (talk) 19:03, 14 February 2018 (UTC) That's the only thing that's relating Joap to condensation topics. But redlink is fine too. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 18:41, 15 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Galobtter (pingó mió) 11:34, 22 February 2018 (UTC) United Airlines Flight 1175[edit] Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: speedy delete HosseinEbrahimi[edit] HosseinEbrahimi → Hossein Ebrahimi  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Was an autobiography with no indication of notability. Now an improbable redirect preserves the history of this guy's resume/social media profile. Legacypac (talk) 08:32, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Hhhhhkohhhhh (talk) 10:18, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Delete No need. Hhhhhkohhhhh (talk) 10:18, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Delete per nom. Does not use the combined form as a stage name brand and he isn't foremost a social media personality but an association football player. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 18:08, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Delete - not needed. GiantSnowman 19:09, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Mohanlal (2017 film)[edit] Mohanlal (2017 film) → Sajid Yahiya  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  An editor has created an article Mohanlal (malayalam film), which is the very same movie as this redirect. The '2017 film' is thus incorrect and the redirect ought to be deleted. MT TrainDiscuss 07:06, 22 February 2018 (UTC) The Name Is Rajinikanth[edit] The Name Is Rajinikanth → Rajinikanth  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  I don't think there is any attempt at making an article out of this unnotable book. Hence the redirect is best deleted. --Kailash29792 (talk) 05:21, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Lady Camilla[edit] Lady Camilla → Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall never held the title of "Lady" like Diana, Princess of Wales did. Camilla had no royal or noble title before her marriage to the Prince of Wales. CookieMonster755✉ 05:11, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Delete such redirects spread misinformation through mirrors. Also #NotMyQueen Legacypac (talk) 11:56, 22 February 2018 (UTC) From this side of the pond, it seems a very plausible error. However, I'm guessing there are other people named Camilla, including fictional characters, that could actually be styled this way or also plausibly done so in error. That's something to consider. --BDD (talk) 17:17, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Keep - although she chooses to go publicly by her husband's subordinate title because Princess of Wales is strongly associated with her predecessor, Camilla legally holds those titles which include Lady of the Isles, so the redirect is accurate. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 18:46, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Yes, she legally is the Princess of Wales. However, she did not become Lady Camilla, but instead became Camilla, Lady of the Isles. CookieMonster755✉ 15:53, 23 February 2018 (UTC) Keep as disambiguation page I have great sympathy with CookieMonster755's point of view, this redirect is even more absurd than the one from Princess Camilla, as misguided as one from Dame Camilla would be, but there are other ladies (I hesitate to say other women) who really are called Lady Camilla and are notable. The first who comes to mind is Lady Camilla Bloch, and another is Lady Camilla Dempster. Even without any articles, a disambiguation page may be justified. We could then add a "See also" for "Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall, sometimes mistakenly referred to as Lady Camilla". Moonraker (talk) 12:24, 24 February 2018 (UTC) Potential Superpowers - France[edit] Potential Superpowers - France → Great power  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Should be deleted. This redirect makes no sense and confuses readers, as the redirect makes it look like it will lead to an article discussing France as a potential superpower, but it actually leads to an article on great powers that has nothing to do with France other than that France happens to be one of several great powers (nothing special about France in this context). --1990'sguy (talk) 02:09, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Delete per nom. This redirect makes no sense. CookieMonster755✉ 05:13, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Delete makes no sense and an unlikely search term. Legacypac (talk) 11:55, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Delete per nom. It would be different if the country was listed in Potential superpowers but France isn't. And the dash would set some uncommon precedent of allowing for creation of "Potential Superpowers - country" redirects AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 18:10, 22 February 2018 (UTC) February 21[edit] 1979 British winter[edit] 1979 British winter → Winter of Discontent  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Implausible search term for this topic. PamD 21:17, 13 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Killiondude (talk) 21:02, 21 February 2018 (UTC) Warren Graham[edit] Warren Graham → Life Is Strange  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Not a key character in the video game as he is not even mentioned. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 01:55, 14 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Killiondude (talk) 20:58, 21 February 2018 (UTC) Ronaldo's[edit] Ronaldo's → Ronaldo  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Redirects not needed for possessives for names if they are not a notable business. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 01:51, 14 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Killiondude (talk) 20:58, 21 February 2018 (UTC) Delete per nom. None of the topics listed on the disambiguation page are businesses. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 18:15, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Delete per ivanvector. Seems a no brainer.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:08, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Various Falcon 9 upper stages[edit] Falcon 9 Flight 6 upper stage → CASSIOPE  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Falcon 9 Flight 7 upper stage → SES-8  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Falcon 9 Flight 8 upper stage → Thaicom 6  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Falcon 9 Flight 11 upper stage → AsiaSat 8  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Falcon 9 Flight 12 upper stage → AsiaSat 6  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Redundant with Falcon 9 flight 6, Falcon 9 flight 7, Falcon 9 flight 8, Falcon 9 flight 11 and Falcon 9 flight 12. Upper stages of rockets are not notable by themselves, and the simple "flight n" redirects are enough for search purposes. Some of these redirects were apparently created to populate a dubious category Category:Former derelict satellites that orbited Earth. I have nominated the category for deletion as well. — JFG talk 10:24, 11 February 2018 (UTC) Delete per nom. Upper stages aren't really derelict satellites. flight 6 already redirects there, and flight 6 article has only one line about the upper stage being left. Hardly anything to WP:COATRACK AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 22:22, 12 February 2018 (UTC) Do not delete ALL; rather, individually delete as appropriate -- it would seem to me that any artificial satellite orbiting Earth—often but not always called a "payload"—is worthy of a Wikipedia redirect. If the second stage deorbits in the first day or two after launch (a common design approach), then it need not ever have a redirect. But if a second stage remains in orbit for months or years, as a large number of rockets launched by government militaries and other gvmt agencies have, especially in the decades of the 1970s-1990s, then it is perfectly appropriate to have the redirect. These second stages, launched by a private company, IF left in orbit long-term, ARE notable precisely because they are space debris, and a long-term negative externality not addressed by the company that launched the debris up to space. If the second stage eventually falls out of orbit and renters Earth's atmosphere, then it is arguable whether the redirect ought to stay, but that should be handled on a case by case basis; not as a group deletion of redirects. N2e (talk) 07:57, 15 February 2018 (UTC) @N2e: I understand the point you're making, from an astronautics enthusiast's point of view (as we both are), but I do not see any WP:RS asserting individual notability of any of these objects. — JFG talk 00:00, 19 February 2018 (UTC) If there is sourced information about a long-term derelict object in space, as there was in the case of each of these redirects at the time the redirect was created, and if that information exists and is sourced in prose in an article, then it is okay that a redirect to that information exist. An entire new article on any of these would require comportment with WP:GNG. A simple WP:REDIRECT to the paragraph or section where it is discussed, does not need a notability guideline examination. If we are to be the encyclopedia of human knowledge, than a redirect that helps readers see which boosters have been left derelict in orbit by their launch-humans is perfectly appropriate. I continue to think that, at best, the individual redirects might be reconsidered, if say, an object has deorbited. I don't believe nixing the entire category is good for our readers. N2e (talk) 02:46, 19 February 2018 (UTC) Category is already gone… — JFG talk 03:28, 19 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Deryck C. 16:48, 21 February 2018 (UTC) Video Joker[edit] Video Joker → VJ (media personality)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Term not present in target article: no evidence that this is a useful redirect. PamD 14:35, 21 February 2018 (UTC) Term seems to have been added, but I suggest Retarget to Cinema of Uganda or Who Killed Captain Alex, the latter is a film that popularized the "Video Joker" idea [11] [12] This is akin to audience participation in Rocky Horror Picture Show or Mystery Science Theater 3000 but done by an emcee or host. It's not really related to VJ as in music video jockey. It can also spin off to its own article, but I think Cinema of Uganda can cover it as that seems to be a stub article. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 00:03, 22 February 2018 (UTC) I have redirected page to Cinema of Uganda, thanks for the suggestion for redirecting. Do the Danse Macabre! (Talk) 20:02, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Withdraw, now that the redirect points to an article which mentions the term (and I've bolded the target of the redirect there for clarity). Thanks, @AngusWOOF: for adding the term there. PamD 21:59, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Strymon muskoka[edit] Strymon muskoka → Strymon acadica  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Please delete. This name was published as an aberration of Strymon acadica (see the record upon which the name of this redirect was essentially based and the paper in which the name was published (p. 450)). A name of an aberration is not an available name (see ICZN art. 45.5 and 45.6.2). Strymon muskoka can thus never be an "alternative scientific name" because it is not a name in the sense of the ICZN. The combination Strymon muskoka was never used as a name in the rank of species; the only redirect that would have made sense is Strymon acadica ab. muskoka. Strymon muskoka is an erroneous interpretation of a database: a combination of muskoka in Strymon but not available and not in the rank of species. Wikipedia should not contribute in the propagation of this error, and this erroneous redirect, suggesting this is an available name, should be deleted.  Wikiklaas  14:32, 21 February 2018 (UTC) Are you saying this is a nomen erratum? All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 15:10, 21 February 2018 (UTC). What I am saying is: this name was listed in a database (LepIndex) as a combination in Strymon, but not as a combination at specific rank. However, someone who copied the data to another database or someone who used the data to create a redirect in Wikipedia, took it for a name at specific rank. That's an error that should be removed from the encyclopedie. This combination at specific rank does not exist. It is not even a nomen, whatever epithet you may want to add to it.  Wikiklaas  23:39, 21 February 2018 (UTC) Delete Misinterpretation of LepIndex entry led to a string that exists nowhere in the literature. There was a similar problem with some of the redirects discussed here at Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2015_August_3#Breeds_of_horse?. Strymon acadica acadica ab. muskoka exists in the literature. Strymon muskoka does not. Plantdrew (talk) 18:50, 23 February 2018 (UTC) Strymon swetti[edit] Strymon swetti → Strymon acadica  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Please delete. This name was published as an aberration of Strymon acadica (see the record upon which the name of this redirect was essentially based and the paper in which the name was published (p. 450)). A name of an aberration is not an available name (see ICZN art. 45.5 and 45.6.2). Strymon swetti can thus never be an "alternative scientific name" because it is not a name in the sense of the ICZN. The combination Strymon swetti was never used as a name in the rank of species; the only redirect that would have made sense is Strymon acadica ab. swetti. Strymon swetti is an erroneous interpretation of a database: a combination of swetti in Strymon but not available and not in the rank of species. Wikipedia should not contribute in the propagation of this error, and this erroneous redirect, suggesting this is an available name, should be deleted.  Wikiklaas  14:32, 21 February 2018 (UTC) Delete Misinterpretation of LepIndex entry led to a string that exists nowhere in the literature. There was a similar problem with some of the redirects discussed at Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2015_August_3#Breeds_of_horse?. Strymon acadica souhegan' ab. swetti exists in the literature. Strymon swetti does not. Plantdrew (talk) 18:52, 23 February 2018 (UTC) Cohort (biology)[edit] Cohort (biology) → Cohort  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Recommend delete. This has redirected to the Taxonomic rank meaning (see Cohort (taxonomy) for years. Plantdrew recently changed it to redirect to the Cohort dab page to prevent links for non-taxonomic biological uses being added by mistake. However, there are no other biological related entries in the DAB, so I think that is not an ideal solution. Delete the redirect entirely. MB 14:28, 21 February 2018 (UTC) Keep A generational cohort as used in cohort studies is generally biological. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 15:09, 21 February 2018 (UTC). "Redirects are used to help people arrive more quickly at the page they want to read". Is it unlikely that anyone would be searching for Cohort (biology); that is an unnatural disambiguation used within WP to title different articles. Generational cohort and cohort studies are both listed Cohort which might help someone find those articles if they searched on cohort. But this term is not useful. MB 20:36, 21 February 2018 (UTC) Delete I went through all the articles targetting this redirect a week or two ago and retargetted all article space links to other titles. While most incoming links intended the taxonomic rank, this redirect was attracting a significant number of links that intended cohort study or generational cohort. Cohort (taxonomy) is a more precise term for the taxonomic rank. "Cohort (biology)" is not precise enough for the taxonomic rank. I also ran across Cohort (group) targetting Cohort (statistics) and retargetted that to the disambiguation page; (group) is hopelessly imprecise, it applies to all but one of the dab page entries. I don't see much point in generally retaining redirects from incomplete disambiguations; by nature, they are not natural search terms (bearing a parenthesized disambiguator). Plantdrew (talk) 03:02, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Keep. As Rich Farmbrough and Plantdrew show, there are at least two other articles listed at the disambiguation page to which this could refer. We shouldn't assume that readers are unfamiliar with parenthetical disambiguation or that the parentheses make this an implausible search term. I can see a marginal benefit to keeping this and no risk of confusion or inaccuracy, so no benefit to deleting it. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 22:20, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Littleport Ice Stadium[edit] Littleport Ice Stadium → Littleport, Cambridgeshire  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Target article does not mention subject. It did once but it was removed. SpinningSpark 11:26, 21 February 2018 (UTC) Page needs a section on facilities. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 15:17, 21 February 2018 (UTC). That may be so, but the Ice Stadium was removed on the grounds that it does not exist and there are no submitted plans to build it. If you think the editor that did that is wrong, then fine, reinsert the material. Otherwise there is no point to the redirect. SpinningSpark 17:02, 21 February 2018 (UTC) Keep or retarget. The project does exist as a proposal or idea, and seems to have got a bit of press attention, so I don't see why it isn't worth a single sentence in the Littleport article. But if there's a consensus that it doesn't belong there, then retarget to Fen skating#Bundy, which includes a sentence that mentions the project (though until I edited it just now it didn't mention it by name). – Arms & Hearts (talk) 21:40, 22 February 2018 (UTC) DecentralizedAutonomousOrganizations[edit] DecentralizedAutonomousOrganizations → Decentralized autonomous organization  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Implausible search term. Guy (Help!) 10:51, 21 February 2018 (UTC) Keep. There's no obvious risk of confusion here and no harm done to the encylopaedia by keeping this redirect. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 21:17, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Weak delete. This redirect was created a couple of months ago, so it's not a {{R from CamelCase}} that needs to be kept for historical reasons. Steel1943 (talk) 14:57, 23 February 2018 (UTC) Machine gun nest[edit] Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep February 20[edit] Former American Eagle (ship)[edit] Former American Eagle (ship) → American Cruise Lines  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Rather confusing title. Possibly refers to the topic in the edit history if American Eagle (2000 ship), but the use of the word "former" is confusing at best. Steel1943 (talk) 23:44, 20 February 2018 (UTC) Delete or weak retarget to American Eagle (disambiguation)#Ships which lists a number of American Eagle ships. American Eagle (ship) retargets to the dab page. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 20:28, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Retarget to American Eagle (disambiguation)#Ships, a completely routine outcome.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  04:16, 23 February 2018 (UTC) Former Baekje[edit] Former Baekje → Baekje  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  The redirect is ambiguous because the target is/was never a former version of itself. If it is formerly anything, it is formerly part of current-day Korea. Steel1943 (talk) 23:42, 20 February 2018 (UTC) Comment the hatnote mentions a Later Baekje so this might be a useful term or perhaps Earlier Baekje instead? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 20:45, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Former Mountain Lodge[edit] Former Mountain Lodge → Mountain Lodge  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Reading the target article, it is unclear what "former" refers to, considering that it is not used in any alternative name for the target, and apparently, per the target article, the word "former" is ambiguous. Steel1943 (talk) 23:38, 20 February 2018 (UTC) Delete per nom. There's Former Mountain line for railroads, but I agree this is vague as Old Mountain Lodge AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 20:48, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Complex Media[edit] Complex Media → Complex (magazine)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Complex Media Inc. → Complex (magazine)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  The company produces other stuff, mostly online, e.g. Collider (website), resulting in undesirable outcomes like the infobox at that article listing Complex (the company) as the publisher, and the link going to a magazine's article, implying the website is a product of the magazine, but they are editorially unconnected in reality. The company itself is probably more notable than the magazine (which may be defunct), though possibly less so than Collider; the company is definitely more notable that various of its other properties about which we don't (and may never) have articles, like Trillera.com (whatever that is). Unfortunately, info about the company and its properties is being inappropriately WP:COATRACKed into Complex magazine's article. Complex Media should just redlink until an article is created.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  14:47, 12 February 2018 (UTC) Retarget to Verizon Hearst Media Partners which lists the notable properties under Complex Media. That article can be beefed up anyway and spun off should it prove notable from its current parent. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 22:44, 12 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Tavix (talk) 22:15, 20 February 2018 (UTC) Tavix's idea works for me.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  04:13, 23 February 2018 (UTC) Relist per Tavix Retarget to Verizon Hearst Media Partners per AngusWOOF. Not sure how stable that would be in the long term, since publishing companies are always selling various brands and whatnot between each other, but it should hold for now. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 06:25, 24 February 2018 (UTC) Shahram Dabiri[edit] Shahram Dabiri → Blizzard Entertainment  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Should this name really redirect to Blizzard Entertainment when he is not mentioned at all in the target article? I think he should either redirect to the other Shahram Dabiri or be deleted entirely if he is non notable. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 12:12, 12 February 2018 (UTC) Retarget to Shahram Dabiri Oskuei as first+middle name since that person seems to be more notable. Add hatnote to Blizzard instead since he is mentioned, although whether a list of key people like that is appropriate WP:ALUMNI? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:41, 12 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Tavix (talk) 22:15, 20 February 2018 (UTC) Head rhyme[edit] Head rhyme → Alliteration  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  A head rhyme is a form of alliteration, but there is no mention of it in the article, or apparently anywhere in Wikipedia (aside from a single mention in an article on a book about rhyming). Probably best to delete and let search results handle things. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 06:09, 12 February 2018 (UTC) Keep as useful [13] [14] and in the Oxford Dictionary of Literary Terms [15] AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:14, 12 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Tavix (talk) 22:14, 20 February 2018 (UTC) Tropical Storm Zeke(1992)[edit] Tropical Storm Zeke(1992) → 1992 Pacific hurricane season  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  There is already an article named Tropical Storm Zeke (1992), so there is no reason to have a redirect with the same title, perhaps the user that created this redirect was probably not aware of the existence of the aforementioned article. CycloneYoris (talk) 21:56, 20 February 2018 (UTC) Delete due to lack of space between the title and the disambiguator, considering that the proper title already exists. Steel1943 (talk) 22:02, 20 February 2018 (UTC) Delete lack of space and unlikely typo, and correctly formatted title is available above. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 21:41, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Newark Orioles[edit] Newark Orioles → Newark Co-Pilots  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Redirect is to another team that played in the same city but not the same franchise. Newark Orioles would be a separate article. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 21:41, 20 February 2018 (UTC) Retarget to Hudson Valley Renegades which is what the club is now affiliated as, but it may also be okay to create an article about the former affiliation in the 1980s, since those seem to have articles. Seems rather complicated though. But it's definitely not the Co-Pilots. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 00:18, 23 February 2018 (UTC) Characichnos[edit] Characichnos → Grallator  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Per Ichnofacies, "Characichnos" and Grallator and not the same. (However, I'm unsure if the redirect should be deleted per WP:REDLINK or retargeted to Ichnofacies, considering that Ichnofacies has no incoming redirects.) Steel1943 (talk) 21:20, 20 February 2018 (UTC) Delete Characichnos is both an ichnogenus and the name of the ichnofacies containing that genus. I don't think we need articles or redirects for each ichnofacies. I'd never heard of ichnofacies until now, but I gather it's similar to the concept of "syntaxa" in phytosociology; both are ecological assemblages of taxa whether fossil footprints or extant plants. Syntaxa receive names based on the dominant plant, but not spelled identically. E.g. "Parietarietea judaicae" is a syntaxon dominated by Parietaria judaica. We don't have articles on any syntaxa (as far as I'm aware) and we shouldn't have articles on ichnofacies, which have the additional complication of being identically spelled to a contained ichnogenus. Delete Characichnos; leave a red-link to encourage creation of an article on the ichnogenus. Plantdrew (talk) 19:24, 21 February 2018 (UTC) Chaos Blast[edit] Chaos Blast → Sonic the Hedgehog  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Not mentioned in the article. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 13:22, 10 February 2018 (UTC) Delete per nom. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 04:09, 11 February 2018 (UTC) Delete Seems to be a powerful attack in-universe. Obscure referene and might violate WP:GAMEGUIDE --Lenticel (talk) 00:25, 12 February 2018 (UTC) Refine/fix redirect to Sonic_the_Hedgehog#Chaos_Emeralds. This appears related to those items, and would at least be useful. The target broke the section header. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 15:00, 18 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943 (talk) 19:59, 20 February 2018 (UTC) Delete this isn't really described in the article. Only Chaos Emerald, which is everywhere in the franchise article, would be a useful term. Chaos Control is only mentioned once. There is also a Chaos Beam / Chaos Shot in Dragon Ball. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 00:13, 23 February 2018 (UTC) Chaos Energy (Sonic the Hedgehog)[edit] Chaos Energy (Sonic the Hedgehog) → Sonic the Hedgehog  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  "Chaos Energy" is not mentioned in the article. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 13:21, 10 February 2018 (UTC) Delete per nom. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 04:09, 11 February 2018 (UTC) Refine/fix redirect to Sonic_the_Hedgehog#Chaos_Emeralds. This appears related to those items, and would at least be useful. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 15:00, 18 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943 (talk) 19:57, 20 February 2018 (UTC) Delete this isn't really described in the article, not even a statement like "there are x types of energy in the game: Fire, Earth, Water, Air, Chaos". Only Chaos Emerald, which is everywhere in the franchise article, would be a useful term. Chaos Control is only mentioned once. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 00:13, 23 February 2018 (UTC) List of items in Sonic games[edit] List of items in Sonic games → Sonic the Hedgehog  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Delete as fancruft, and as there is no list in target article. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 02:36, 10 February 2018 (UTC) Delete - no such list exists, or ever should, per WP:GAMECRUFT. Sergecross73 msg me 04:11, 10 February 2018 (UTC) Delete per nom. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 04:59, 10 February 2018 (UTC) Delete per above. WP:GAMECRUFT is a good application here. Such a list is really only a fit for Wikia, and wouldn't be in a main article either. Red Phoenix talk 22:33, 10 February 2018 (UTC) Keep and refine to Sonic the Hedgehog#Common features. Okay it's not a list per se, but the original goal content of that redirect is covered in the target, fairly in-depth. May not be a pure list, but it's close enough to be useful. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 02:02, 18 February 2018 (UTC) Refine per Amory. -- Tavix (talk) 20:42, 18 February 2018 (UTC) Keep and refine per amory Galobtter (pingó mió) 10:10, 19 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943 (talk) 19:54, 20 February 2018 (UTC) .DBC[edit] .DBC → MPQ (file format)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  .DBC is the name of several file formats, not mentioned at current target, couldn't find any appropriate target. Paradoctor (talk) 00:17, 9 February 2018 (UTC) Delete A Google search yields sources revealing that .DBC is a file extension associated with Blizzard Entertainment, as is .MPQ. That explains the rationale behind this redirect's creation even if it doesn't justify its target or its continuing existence. If the MPQ article doesn't explain .DBC files, and no one is about to come up with text to cover it there, then the redirect is of no use, especially if .DBC has other referents, in which case MPQ and Blizzard Entertainment may both not be primary topics for ".DBC". Largoplazo (talk) 03:50, 9 February 2018 (UTC) Note: DBC is listed at List_of_filename_extensions_(A–E)#D. There's a link to Visual FoxPro, where it is not mentioned. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 22:04, 17 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943 (talk) 19:51, 20 February 2018 (UTC) 7-1[edit] 7-1 → 7.1 surround sound  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Previous RfDs for this redirect: Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 October 22 § 7-1 – delete Proposing to retarget to Brazil v Germany (2014 FIFA World Cup). It has been several years since that match, and I still see references to "7-1", which makes me believe that the match is the primary usage of the term. I'm hard-pressed to find usage of 7.1 surround sound as "7-1", although I can see why it was created as an error redirect. -- Tavix (talk) 18:17, 20 February 2018 (UTC) Sonic (2018 film)[edit] Sonic (2018 film) → Sonic the Hedgehog  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Movie apparently premiers in 2019, making this misleading as a redirect. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 02:46, 10 February 2018 (UTC) Leaning keep on this one. Not everyone may know of the delay. They may search for it, or it's conceivable not all piped links are updated right away either. Sergecross73 msg me 04:10, 10 February 2018 (UTC) Delete - If the supposed movie is WP:TOOSOON, I feel the redirect for it should be as well. It could be reinstated when the movie is ready for an article. Red Phoenix talk 03:09, 11 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ Amory (u • t • c) 15:50, 20 February 2018 (UTC) Smallest asteroid[edit] Smallest asteroid → 2015 TC25  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Smallest known asteroid → 2015 TC25  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  These redirects are WP:COSTLY since this is subject to change. I had originally considered retargeting these redirects to List of exceptional asteroids, the target of redirect List of asteroids by size, but the target article does not have information about smaller names asteroids. Steel1943 (talk) 15:09, 20 February 2018 (UTC) Weak retarget to Asteroid#Size distribution as there is some definition as to when an asteroid could be reclassified as a meteoroid. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:52, 20 February 2018 (UTC) Scarlet Classic[edit] Scarlet Classic → Rutgers University  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  The word "Classic" is nowhere in the target article. Looks as though this title refers to a specific possibly annual sports match involving this university, but at the present time, the connection is unclear due to lack of coverage in the target article. Steel1943 (talk) 15:02, 20 February 2018 (UTC) Its why I had created a redirect, not an article. I thought of leaving it down the line in case the thing becomes notable enough, given enough years. Artix Kreiger (talk) 15:09, 20 February 2018 (UTC) IMO, this title has more of a WP:REDLINK situation unless an appropriate place to mention the redirect (possibly in its own section or a section about sports) is added to the article. Then, the redirect can probably reasonably stay, and possibly even be tagged with {{R with possibilities}}. Steel1943 (talk) 16:55, 20 February 2018 (UTC) Delete refers to an e-sports event, which isn't covered by any of the university articles. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 21:39, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Winter activity[edit] Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: withdrawn Sliding sport[edit] Sliding sport → Winter sport  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Sliding-sport → Winter sport  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Sliding-sports → Winter sport  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Slidingsport → Winter sport  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Sliding sports → Winter sport  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Slidingsports → Winter sport  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  The term "sliding" is not mentioned in the target article. In addition, per research, it seems that the phrase "sliding sport" refers exclusively to either Skeleton (sport) or Bobsleigh; the current target of these redirects, Winter sport, refers to more sports than those two. Steel1943 (talk) 14:00, 20 February 2018 (UTC) The three Olympic "sliding sports" of Skeleton, Bobsleigh and Luge are forms of sledding, so retarget Sliding sport and Sliding sports there. Delete the ones with hyphens and no spaces, these forms are never used. -- Tavix (talk) 14:54, 20 February 2018 (UTC) Retarget Sliding sport and Sliding sports to sledding and delete others per Tavix's recommendations. It looks like the three Olympic sports have been mentioned in the opening paragraph of the article since 2010, maybe earlier but there were a lot of back-and-forth edits back then. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:47, 20 February 2018 (UTC) Capital project Devision & Gandhinagar Road & Building Department[edit] Capital project Devision & Gandhinagar Road & Building Department → Gandhinagar  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  There is no content about the Capital project Division (or Devision) in article Gandhinagar. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:56, 20 February 2018 (UTC) Delete non-notable organization without mention in the target article. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 08:20, 22 February 2018 (UTC) February 19[edit] Zafari[edit] Zafari → Epic Games  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Not in target PRehse (talk) 12:02, 9 February 2018 (UTC) Retarget There is an upcoming TV series that will likely become the primary topic. Meanwhile, I mentioned the series at Unreal engine#Zafari, so that's where the redirect should point for now. "Zafari" is also the romanization of an Iranian surname, as well as part of several place names in Iran, but none of these currently necessitate disambiguation. Paradoctor (talk) 14:40, 9 February 2018 (UTC) Delete to create redlink for the TV series. Create disambiguation page if something else is primarily known as Zafari as the cities only include it as a PTM, and there's a single by Nacht und Nebel (band) called "Zafari". AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 21:22, 9 February 2018 (UTC) There's already a skeleton of an article in the page history that had a run-in with ClueBot. Deleting it in order to encourage creation of the same thing seems a bit counterproductive. —Xezbeth (talk) 16:49, 10 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ Amory (u • t • c) 22:51, 19 February 2018 (UTC) Rance Warlock[edit] Rance Warlock → Dance Central (video game)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  This re-direction page should be deleted. It was originally meant to target Kasson Crooker, which now has an article that does not mention the re-direction name, but was changed to target the video-game when the person's article was turned into a re-direction page. DaYL (talk) 22:27, 19 February 2018 (UTC) List of Final Fantasy XI locations[edit] List of Final Fantasy XI locations → Final Fantasy XI  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Fails WP:GAMECRUFT #7. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 22:09, 12 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ⓩⓟⓟⓘⓧ Talk 21:29, 19 February 2018 (UTC) Hang Tuah State[edit] Hang Tuah State → Malacca  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Hang Tuah State is not mention in the current target article, and Hang Tuah is not mentioned in the article either (aside from the see also section). Hang Tuah is probably a better target, and Malacca Sultanate does mention Hang Tuah, but without the word state. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 06:05, 12 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ⓩⓟⓟⓘⓧ Talk 19:20, 19 February 2018 (UTC) List of Tomb Raider characters[edit] List of Tomb Raider characters → Tomb Raider  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  List of Tomb Raider Characters → Tomb Raider  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  No such list exists in target article. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 07:22, 8 February 2018 (UTC) Comment This was converted from an article to a redirect in March 2017. See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games/Archive 128#List of Tomb Raider characters on discussions on why it was removed. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:16, 8 February 2018 (UTC) Delete List of Tomb Raider Characters. Having that in caps is not helpful. As for the characters list, there may be some usefulness if characters recur over multiple games as with List of James Bond allies, unless the only time the characters are recurring was in the first and second Angelina Jolie films. But as discussed above, it would require a WP:TNT effort. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 22:20, 8 February 2018 (UTC) Keep or restore List of Tomb Raider characters due to non-trivial editing history that may be useful in the future. Neutral on List of Tomb Raider Characters. -- Tavix (talk) 20:28, 18 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BDD (talk) 18:40, 19 February 2018 (UTC) List of recurring Tomb Raider characters[edit] List of recurring Tomb Raider characters → Tomb Raider  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Recurring Characters in the Tomb Raider game series → Tomb Raider  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Recurring characters in the Tomb Raider game series → Tomb Raider  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  No such list mentioned in target article. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 07:20, 8 February 2018 (UTC) Delete in favor of discussing whether List of Tomb Raider characters should be restored to handle recurring characters in the franchise. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:17, 8 February 2018 (UTC) Keep or restore List of recurring Tomb Raider characters due to non-trivial editing history that may be useful in the future. Neutral on the others. -- Tavix (talk) 20:29, 18 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BDD (talk) 18:39, 19 February 2018 (UTC) Unclean vocals[edit] Unclean vocals → Death growl  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Unsure where this phrase should redirect to. From the history, it has switched between redirecting to "death growl" and redirecting to "screaming (music)". It was later made into a disambiguation page, but I'm not sure if any of those results is a good idea. Natg 19 (talk) 06:58, 8 February 2018 (UTC) Note - Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 July 7#Clean vocals will be relevant to this discussion. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 15:45, 8 February 2018 (UTC) Comment shouldn't this go to Parental Advisory which discusses clean versions of songs? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 21:55, 8 February 2018 (UTC) Screaming (music) may be okay as a synonym since Clean vocals was retargeted there. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:27, 12 February 2018 (UTC) Redirect to Death growl. As I pointed out in my edit comments, Screaming (music) does not even mention the term "unclean" anywhere in the article, while Death growl lists "unclean vocals" as a bolded alternative title in the section "Terminology". A death growl is different from screaming and I've never encountered "screaming" as an umbrella term for all "ugly" forms of singing (in popular music, especially rock music), so "screaming" cannot be equated with (all) "unclean vocals". In fact, compared to a death growl, some forms listed in the article Screaming (music), such as shouted punk vocals, are considered "clean singing", because they may be gruff but easy enough to understand. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 01:34, 13 February 2018 (UTC) It mentioned clean vocals in the lede after the last discussion, but that got taken out here. I'd support putting it back. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:23, 15 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BDD (talk) 18:27, 19 February 2018 (UTC) Black wood[edit] Black wood → Candidatus Phytoplasma solani  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  The target article is a plant pathogen that causes "black wood of grapevine". This redirect however is far too vague and could describe any black-coloured wood, namely ebony. I don't think a dab page is justified since nothing is actually referred to as "black wood", as far as I can tell. Xezbeth (talk) 13:26, 19 February 2018 (UTC) It just occurred to me that I could have redirected to Blackwood and problem solved. Oh well. —Xezbeth (talk) 13:32, 19 February 2018 (UTC) Pokemon/Pikachu[edit] Pokemon/Pikachu → Pikachu  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Implausible search term for someone to type in. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 12:08, 9 February 2018 (UTC) Delete housekeeping. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 20:53, 9 February 2018 (UTC) Delete - I agree. This seems useless. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 07:12, 13 February 2018 (UTC) Keep There was a discussion seven years ago on this and others which ended no consensus. These are artifacts of very old pages and very old wikipedia (back when we had every pokemon). There's little harm in keeping them per WP:CHEAP and there could be 15 year old external links we're breaking for no reason. Basically, per Rossami and Nyttend. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 02:15, 17 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Galobtter (pingó mió) 10:09, 19 February 2018 (UTC) Keep per Amorymeltzer. I agree that this isn't a particularly plausible search term, but that on its own is not a reason for deletion. In this case there's a greater than usual risk of breaking incoming links, and no obvious risk of confusion if we keep this. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 18:32, 20 February 2018 (UTC) Pokemon/Charmander[edit] Pokemon/Charmander → Charmander  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Implausible search term. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 12:20, 9 February 2018 (UTC) Comment: This redirect is a {{R from move}} and due to that redirect category, also a {{R from old history}}. Steel1943 (talk) 12:51, 9 February 2018 (UTC) Delete housekeeping. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 20:51, 9 February 2018 (UTC) Keep There was a discussion seven years ago on this and others which ended no consensus. These are artifacts of very old pages and very old wikipedia (back when we had every pokemon). There's little harm in keeping them per WP:CHEAP and there could be 15 year old external links we're breaking for no reason. Basically, per Rossami and Nyttend. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 02:15, 17 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Galobtter (pingó mió) 10:09, 19 February 2018 (UTC) Keep per Amorymeltzer and per my comment above at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 February 19#Pokemon/Pikachu. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 18:34, 20 February 2018 (UTC) Hastuon[edit] Hastuon → N (kana)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Term not found in target article: no indication why this is a useful redirect. PamD 09:14, 19 February 2018 (UTC) Delete. I think this is probably a typo of hatsuon, but I don't know whether the redirect would be useful even if it were spelled correctly. As it's mispelled it's both an unlikely search term and potentially confusing. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 20:26, 20 February 2018 (UTC) Delete the correct term in Japanese 撥音 might be a useful redirect if it were explained at the target, but an incorrect spelling of a romanisation of either of two homophones (only one of which is related to the target) is a bridge too far. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 02:57, 21 February 2018 (UTC) L'Affaire Russe[edit] L'Affaire Russe → Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Term not mentioned in target article. Smacks of Recentism - Google books search finds the phrase in other historical contexts. If it's really a well-used term, please add to the target article. PamD 08:51, 19 February 2018 (UTC) Appears to come from two sources - Benjamin Wittes at Lawfare Blog, and a bunch of French-language news sources. I personally like the term, but that's not a great reason to use it. And as a French-speaker, I also know that "russe" wouldn't normally be capitalized. Not sure how this works though. Is this a voting sort of thing like deletion? I say WEAK KEEP, but I'd agree that some news sources need to be added to the article to justify it. Juansmith (talk) 18:47, 20 February 2018 (UTC) Weak keep. I couldn't find any English-language sources using the phrase in any context other than the target (Google Books turns up several results which, when one uses the "Search in this book" feature, don't seem to contain the phrase – does anyone know what that's about?), and I can imagine someone reading the Wittes piece or another work referring to it and being unsure of the meaning of the phrase. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 20:13, 20 February 2018 (UTC) Pork with garlic sauce[edit] Pork with garlic sauce → Yuxiang shredded pork  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Too general a term to redirect to one specific dish. PamD 08:44, 19 February 2018 (UTC) This two terms are exactly the same. I am a Chinese-born-Chinese and we eat this dish from elementary school. Lugiamale (talk) 10:05, 19 February 2018 (UTC) But it's not the only dish involving pork with garlic sauce. Readers may be looking for another such dish and be SURPRISEd to find this specific one. --BDD (talk) 18:08, 19 February 2018 (UTC) Theoretically, there may be other pork dishes that have a garlic sauce, but does anyone have an example? I wasn't able to find anything else matching that description. Unless Wikipeida covers other dish(es) that can be described that way, I'm inclined to keep. -- Tavix (talk) 18:26, 19 February 2018 (UTC) Umm... OK I should make myself clearer. Sorry for the short response earlier. The reason why I make this item and make the redirect is that almost all of the Chinese restaurants in the US, especially in the Midwest area, translated Yuxiangrousi into Pork with Garlic Sauce. It doesn't make any sense, but a lot people would refer to the dish by this term as a consequence. So it would be pitiful if these people come to wiki but could not find anything about the dish, so I was trying to inform them the correct information. Lugiamale (talk) 22:04, 19 February 2018 (UTC) Keep per Tavix: there may be other pork dishes involving garlic sauce, but if they're not notable and we don't have any discussion of them in the encylopaedia then this redirect does no harm. I have no way of verifying Lugiamale's point above, but it sounds entirely plausible and provides another good reason to keep this. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 20:02, 20 February 2018 (UTC) Keep for now, without prejudice against WP:SETINDEXification or something in the future (I see cookbooks using this as a translation of 蒜泥白肉 too), or immediately if anyone finds other dishes currently in Wikipedia which are described this way. Added a sourced mention of this translation at the target. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 03:31, 21 February 2018 (UTC) OK, Withdraw - still not convinced this is at all reasonable but I seem to be in a minority of one here, no point in battling it out. (Though the article says it's called "Shredded pork with garlic"!) PamD 09:12, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Howard Hinton[edit] Howard Hinton → H._E._Hinton  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  There is more than one person known as Howard Hinton. This redirect is to an article about Howard Everest Hinton. I wish to publish an article about Howard Hinton (no other given names, see Draft:Howard_Hinton) with target = Howard_Hinton. I have updated Hinton_(name) to reflect this. I do not think disambiguation is necessary in this case , and the redirect should be deleted. Perhaps the existing target article could be renamed Howard_Everest_Hinton. — Preceding unsigned comment added by StedmanTriples (talk • contribs) 01:17, 19 February 2018 (UTC) I don't think anything needs to be deleted here. If you want the draft currently at Draft:Howard Hinton to be at Howard Hinton, then just overwrite the redirect with the content from the draft. There is still the question of which of the Hintons is the primary topic for the name, but that isn't really a matter for RfD. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 18:41, 20 February 2018 (UTC) Thanks. I wasn't sure of the protocol. StedmanTriples (talk) 21:57, 20 February 2018 (UTC) February 18[edit] List of planets in the F-Zero series[edit] List of planets in the F-Zero series → F-Zero  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Planets in the F-Zero Universe → F-Zero  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  There's no list of planets in the target article. Unnecessary redirect. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 22:46, 8 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ⓩⓟⓟⓘⓧ Talk 18:05, 18 February 2018 (UTC) Delete as WP:GAMECRUFT #7, levels (including lists of stadia/sport venues). Planets seem to be akin to hosting a number of various race track conditions. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 00:16, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Delphi Packard Electric Systems[edit] Delphi Packard Electric Systems → Aptiv  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Not mentioned in the target, so the reader is left none the wiser as to what Delphi Packard Electric Systems is or was, or how it relates or was related to Aptiv. There does appear to be an entity in existence today known as, or trading as, Delphi Packard (see for example this recent Romanian news article), but it's not clear whether that entity is, whether it's the same as or a part of Aptiv, or whether we have any encyclopaedic content relating to it. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 23:59, 8 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: No discussion took place, so I'm relisting. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ⓩⓟⓟⓘⓧ Talk 18:05, 18 February 2018 (UTC) Keep as subsidiary of Delphi Automotive Systems which points to Aptiv. [16] If there's a way to redirect it to that term without the double redirect kicking in, that would help. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 00:19, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Yellow Light of Death (PS3)[edit] Yellow Light of Death (PS3) → PlayStation 3  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Unnecessary disambiguation. Yellow Light of Death redirects to the same page and no other console has such an issue. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 06:16, 7 February 2018 (UTC) Comment If this is kept, it needs a {{R from unnecessary disambiguation}} AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 19:08, 7 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ⓩⓟⓟⓘⓧ Talk 17:59, 18 February 2018 (UTC) TWIMEN[edit] TWIMEN → The World Is My Enemy Now  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Unlikely search term. No sources found that this is being used as a shortcut name for this album. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 05:57, 11 February 2018 (UTC) Keep - Per WP:R#KEEP, "If someone says they find a redirect useful, they probably do". Alleged confusion is not very plausible at all. So absent evidence of any harm there is no reason to delete. "There seems to be no evidence of confusion, just conjecture on the part of nominator, and no argument grounded in WP:R. Laziness is the exact purpose of redirects, to be perfectly honest, and the creator of a useful redirect that saves one or two characters should be commended. We don't delete redirects based merely on conjecture. Someone obviously found these useful given they were created." "One of the lowest things one can do is steal another mans tools. So you have no use for it. There is zero reason to take away something that has no higher use. Such Nominators should be required to be the one to hand edit and remove any deleted tags." "Redirects are cheap. Anyone using it is hardly likely to get it [confused]. There are lots of little abbreviated things pulled up over the years such as {{tlc}} or {{tlx}} or whatever as useful shorthand for editors." If {{Tlc}} and {{Tlx}} are acceptable names for templates, my redirects are also acceptable as they are. If not, my two redirects should be renamed. Per @Thryduulf:, "we also have the {{hat}} (not about hats), {{temp}} (not about temporary workers), {{link}} (not about chains, golf courses, an American singer, etc), {{user}} (not about drug, computer or telecommunication system users), {{admin}} (not about administrators), {{ill}} (not about illness), {{top}} (not about spinning tops or clothing), {{bottom}} (not about buttocks or the seabed), {{columns}} (not about architecture), {{reliable sources}} (not about publications, {{cleanup}} (not about cleaning), {{fiction}} (not about fiction), {{copyedit}} (not about copyediting), {{tone}} (not about literature, linguistics or music), {{neutrality}} (not about international relations), and many others". --Jax 0677 (talk) 20:10, 11 February 2018 (UTC) I don't follow why so much of your rationale focuses on countering the claim of "confusion" when the nominative never made that claim to begin with. Sergecross73 msg me 03:16, 14 February 2018 (UTC) Delete- despite the creator's unfounded claims to "usefulness" above, the page views don't lie - no one is using this abbreviation. Sergecross73 msg me 03:16, 14 February 2018 (UTC) Reply - I am using the abbreviation, and there are more than one dozen uses on one of the days. The redirect is cheap and was only created recently. --Jax 0677 (talk) 14:09, 14 February 2018 (UTC) Yes, its not uncommon for a redirect to get views while its up for deletion. I probably added a few to the count too, not because I was using it as a valid redirect, but because I was researching it so I could leave a comment here. While I hadn't realized how recently you created this, I still stand by the nominator's stance - googling "TWIMEN" gave zero relevant hits for it in like the first five pages of results. This doesn't appear to be a widely used shortening of the subject's title. If no one (except you) is using it, it's not a valid redirect worth keeping. Sergecross73 msg me 16:54, 14 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ⓩⓟⓟⓘⓧ Talk 17:32, 18 February 2018 (UTC) Delete per nom. Steel1943 (talk) 01:41, 19 February 2018 (UTC) Delete Twimen seems to be a brand within Carrefour Market [17], but the all-caps version isn't helpful if it is made up by a single editor and not propagated by the album. The hashtag was used by some non-notable blogger who uses #twilioggd There's also Twyman as a surname, but not in all-caps, and searches for that would be hindered by this. It might be a potential hashtag for the album but when I do a search on "twimen pictures" I get a bunch of pictures of twins instead. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 00:33, 22 February 2018 (UTC) John Hinder[edit] John Hinder → Austin John  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Term not found in target article; no indication that this is a useful redirect. PamD 17:25, 18 February 2018 (UTC) Delete per nom. No news articles that show that Walker ever went by this as a stage name. It doesn't make sense to call him as a combination of his middle name and his band name. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 00:35, 22 February 2018 (UTC) 1985 video games[edit] 1985 video games → 1985 in video gaming  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  "Year video games" isn't a search format used here. Created by blocked user. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 15:56, 18 February 2018 (UTC) Keep, I don't see why it shouldn't be a search format used here. It is a way people may refer to "video games released in 1985", and that's exactly what is listed at the target. -- Tavix (talk) 16:09, 18 February 2018 (UTC) Keep, I could see this redirect getting used a decent amount, not to mention it is not hurting anything by being a {{R from alt name}} --Ⓩⓟⓟⓘⓧ Talk 18:12, 18 February 2018 (UTC) Delete as recently created unnecessary redirect. I'm not clear what sort of agenda this user had, but we don't have such redirect for any of the other years. Instead of fait acompli one at a time, we should gain consensus first and then add these to all years. It's not even a good alternative name as the page covers more than just games, but industry, developers, events, etc. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 14:37, 19 February 2018 (UTC) Shithole[edit] Shithole → wiktionary:shithole  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  I created this as a soft redirect to Wiktionary a few months ago, back before the word became infamous for other reasons. Sandstein proposed turning it into a dab page on my talk page. Due to the sensitive nature of the word, I figured it best to open it up for discussion and see if we can gain consensus on what to do with it. -- Tavix (talk) 16:46, 22 January 2018 (UTC) To save clicks: I proposed creating a dab page of sorts, listing the recently much covered epithet "Shithole countries", as well as "not to be confused" links to Shitole and Sithole. Sandstein 16:57, 22 January 2018 (UTC) Comment I don't think it should be a DAB unless Shithole countries is an actual article.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 18:26, 22 January 2018 (UTC) Hatnote the soft redirect per WP:TWODABS. I think it is entirely reasonable that someone might go looking for Trump's comments with this keyword, but the soft redir is still the "main topic." --NYKevin 01:08, 24 January 2018 (UTC) Comment the following WP:DABMENTION songs could be stuffed onto the dab page to make it look big and important. (Or not.) "Shithole", a song by Les Turds on the compilation album Play at Your Own Risk, Volume 2 "Shit Hole", a song on the 2005 film score album Saw II "The Shithole", a spoken word piece on the 2006 album Boned! "Shithole", a 2016 song by Canadian band Weaves OTOH, hatnoting a soft redirect seems worse than just making a real WP:TWODABS or whatever: readers are probably used to the formatting of a dab page, whereas a hatnote on a soft redirect looks rather odd. And unlike the case with a real redirect, a hatnote doesn't actually save any clicks when you put it above a soft redirect; you have to click either way anyway. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 17:47, 24 January 2018 (UTC) Disambiguate given the existence of multiple WP:DABMENTION topics that could be referred to as "shithole". A disambiguation page doesn't give "undue prominence" to anything; it's just a better-formatted list of the same stuff you could find with the search engine. I don't really think that maintaining such a better-formatted list adds much value over deleting and letting the search engine do its job, but apparently no one here at all supports deletion, so list it is. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 06:47, 13 February 2018 (UTC) Redirect to wiktionary per WP:DICDEF. People looking for Shithole countries can already see a link in the search box, as they type "Shitho…", so no need for dab. — JFG talk 13:40, 29 January 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943 (talk) 19:22, 30 January 2018 (UTC) Comment: JFG said: "People looking for Shithole countries can already see a link in the search box, as they type 'Shitho…', so no need for dab", but please note that the search suggest drop-down list on Wikipedia requires JavaScript, so it is not seen by people who are using a web browser without JavaScript or who have JavaScript disabled in their browser preferences or disabled via a browser extension such as NoScript; for this reason (since the search suggest drop-down list is not a universal part of the Wikipedia interface for all users), appearance in the search suggest drop-down list should never be used as the only reason why a disambiguation page is not needed (and this may also be why the search suggest drop-down list is not mentioned at WP:DAB). It is not true that all users see search suggestions as they type in the Wikipedia search box. Biogeographist (talk) 19:17, 2 February 2018 (UTC) Well, I see your point, but it's not 1998 any more. JS is pretty much required to browse the web today. I'd be curious to see stats of how many readers (except indexing bots) actually have it disabled. — JFG talk 22:15, 4 February 2018 (UTC) JFG said: "JS is pretty much required to browse the web today." Again, not true (and not even relevant to Wikipedia, since JavaScript is not required to browse or edit Wikipedia). Design principles for "the web today" that explicitly state that JavaScript is not "required" include, e.g., Unobtrusive JavaScript and Responsive web design § Mobile first, unobtrusive JavaScript, and progressive enhancement. Even if the overall percentage of readers without JavaScript is small (say, 0.2 percent), the often large number of readers of Wikipedia guarantees that many readers will be reading without JavaScript. Biogeographist (talk) 03:00, 5 February 2018 (UTC) Comment - Extra argument to redirect this back to wiktionary: by pointing the word "shithole" to Shithole countries, which itself is a section is an article about purported racial views of Donald Trump, we are giving a prominent meaning to this word, which is recentism at best and political partisanship at worst. Hence back to WP:DICDEF. — JFG talk 22:21, 4 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: This seems slightly weighted toward restoring the wiktionary redirect, but the added utility of a dab re: Sanstein hasn't been refuted. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ Amory (u • t • c) 16:25, 7 February 2018 (UTC) Redirect to Wiktionary (keep), exactly how it is now with no additional notation. The recent epithet is not a suitably prominent usage to be given this special treatment given that there are so many other prominent uses; doing so gives these comments undue precedence. If people want to go looking for the comments made by the Racist-In-Chief,[1] they can search for the full phrase as disambiguation, or find it linked from other articles. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:08, 8 February 2018 (UTC) References ^ Abraham, Yvonne (January 13, 2018). "President Trump, our racist-in-chief". The Boston Globe. Retrieved February 8, 2018.  I'm not too sure about this one, but I think that setting up a disambiguation page is a good idea. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 22:06, 8 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: It's been a month and we're not there yet; this could use some more input. Disambiguate or wiktionary? Hopefully some more distance will be productive. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ Amory (u • t • c) 15:34, 18 February 2018 (UTC) Disambiguate add countries as PTM at the bottom for See also. The songs have been there prior to any Trump events, and none of them are primary topic. This also allows for the Wiktionary to be added. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:01, 18 February 2018 (UTC) Disambiguate per AngusWOOF's comments above. Disambiguating it additionally allows the link to Wiktionary. Paintspot Infez (talk) 02:24, 21 February 2018 (UTC) Redirects to List of current UFC fighters[edit] Justin Willis (fighter) → List of current UFC fighters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ] Adam Wieczorek → List of current UFC fighters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ] Dmitry Poberezhets → List of current UFC fighters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ] Saparbek Safarov → List of current UFC fighters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ] Aleksandar Rakić (fighter) → List of current UFC fighters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ] Michal Oleksiejczuk → List of current UFC fighters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ] Marcin Prachnio → List of current UFC fighters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ] Magomed Ankalaev → List of current UFC fighters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ] Trevin Giles → List of current UFC fighters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ] Oskar Piechota → List of current UFC fighters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ] Markus Perez → List of current UFC fighters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ] Julian Marquez → List of current UFC fighters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ] Daichi Abe → List of current UFC fighters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ] Abu Azaitar → List of current UFC fighters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ] Davi Ramos → List of current UFC fighters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ] Calvin Kattar → List of current UFC fighters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ] Dan Ige → List of current UFC fighters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ] Martin Buschkamp → List of current UFC fighters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ] Grant Dawson → List of current UFC fighters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ] Terrion Ware → List of current UFC fighters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ] Merab Dvalishvili → List of current UFC fighters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ] Alex Perez (fighter) → List of current UFC fighters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ] Mark De La Rosa → List of current UFC fighters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ] Raoni Barcelos → List of current UFC fighters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ] Said Nurmagomedov → List of current UFC fighters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ] Gina Mazany → List of current UFC fighters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ] Lauren Mueller → List of current UFC fighters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ] Ji Yeon Kim → List of current UFC fighters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ] Mara Romero Borella → List of current UFC fighters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ] Kalindra Faria → List of current UFC fighters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ] Melinda Fabian → List of current UFC fighters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ] Priscila Cachoeira → List of current UFC fighters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ] Xiaonan Yan → List of current UFC fighters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ] Deiveson Alcântara Figueiredo → List of current UFC fighters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ] Polyana Viana → List of current UFC fighters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Others tagged for this discussion that weren't listed Benito Lopez → List of current UFC fighters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ] Boston Salmon → List of current UFC fighters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ] Gillian Robertson → List of current UFC fighters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ] John Phillips (fighter) → List of current UFC fighters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ] Joseph Morales (fighter) → List of current UFC fighters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ] Marcelo Golm → List of current UFC fighters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ] Matt Frevola → List of current UFC fighters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ] deletion - No articles have been developed or gone through any review. Editor User:Rickyc123 created the pages with only "#REDIRECT text" and "immediately" redirect to a general related page. Believe to claim authorship when the page eventually recreated. Similar is done on Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 December 31#The ABC Murders (TV series) which reported by User:HornetMike. A case is file on ANI, see here Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Gaming the system - vandalism user:Rickyc123. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 15:17, 3 February 2018 (UTC) Strong meh Of course "[n]o articles have been developed or gone through any review" - that's the whole point of a redirect, to send readers to a more useful title when there is no article at their exact search. I suppose it might be mildly useful to go through the target page, add an {{anchor}} to each person, and then fix the redirects accordingly, but it seems like a lot of work for little benefit. These seem pretty marginal but I'd be really reluctant to call them "vandalism," assuming all of these people are actually listed at the target. --NYKevin 04:28, 4 February 2018 (UTC) Keep The page that I have redirected all the UFC Fighters to contain. Their Nationality, height, nickname, weightclass, Pro MMA record, Their UFC record and ranking if they are ranked. It also includes their current status e.g: If they are injurd, currently suspended by USADA, their next booked fight and the result of their most recent bout.Rickyc123 (talk) 14:32, 4 February 2018 (UTC)Rickyc123 Delete all These are all MMA fighters who fail notability requirements set out in WP:NMMA and appear to be created on mass for reasons I can't fathom. It certainly defeats the purpose of redlinks which highlight articles which should be created. It doesnt help in the search for these targets since it would take you to the list anyway.14:32, 4 February 2018 (UTC)PRehse (talk) Note: Saparbek Safarov and Dan Ige are not redirects at the moment. Joedanti2010 has created articles for both. I have not evaluated their content. Also, I believe some other pages may have been intended to be included in this proposal that aren't on this list, as they are tagged: Benito Lopez, Boston Salmon, Gillian Robertson, John Phillips (fighter), Joseph Morales (fighter), Marcelo Golm, Matt Frevola, and Tim Williams (fighter). Dancter (talk) 21:50, 6 February 2018 (UTC) Comment User:Rickyc123 purpose of redirect is to be the owner of the article when someone create the page. This UFC fighters list above is not the only list he has done that, he has done more than over hundred of them. Please go to the Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Gaming the system - vandalism user:Rickyc123 that which he has been warned if he would do it again he will be banned - see here [18]. where evidence found he lied and copied draft content and paste and created his own and create redirect with subject without meeting nobility and claimed his own - Saparbek Safarov and Dan Ige are the recent examples. He also recreate and direct immediately after page had been deleted by Redirect for discussion see here [19]. which was deleted f CASSIOPEIA(talk) 13:01, 8 February 2018 (UTC) That is irrelevant, to the discussion of whether these redirects should stay and if you could show me where I've tried to claim credit for Dan Ige and Saparbek Safarov it would be much appreciated. Also redirects don't need reviews or be notable there are plenty of examples where things which aren't notable enough to have their own articles and are redirected to a general related page and in this case it redirects to somewhere which shows enough information about that individual which is more than sufficient of a reason to redirect there.Rickyc123 (talk) 18:40, 8 February 2018 (UTC)Rickyc123 CommentIrrelevant with proven wrong and warn by admin? well, When you redirect a subject is not notbale to a general related page, once another editor (just say Alan here) create the page when the subject is notable the article creator is you but not Alan and you know that. It is easy to just look at Dan Ige and Saparbek Safarov pages who is the creator - you. That is the reason you redirect hundred of subject. You are WP:NOTHERE to contribute, you steal about 5 other editors work/content and make it your and that were all proven and reattributed to them in the ANI section. I agree content in Wiki is contributed by many and the is the core of Wiki open policy but to steal the creator initial work is not. Just take examples from academy and journalism, in academy field say a student does is master or PhD degree and work on a paper or thesis, any all content is cited with source but the paper is created by them. Just as in journalism, if the press didnt get the info themselves they have to report where they get it from (cite/reference) which means the work is not them but they create the work on the paper. What you do here is to put your name down (by redirect) and wait for other editor to do the work and your name automatically appear to be yours. This can be easily be seen at the subject history page against when your contribution page when you redirect the subject and when they subject page is created. You fool no one. If your actions was righteous, you will not be warn by admin on stealing other editors work and redirect. Question - Anderson Silva was one of the greatest fighter in the MMA history and now he is caught twice using PED, with all his wins, does he has any respect from peers or fans - none and what say about yours. When you do this you detect the actual editor which want to contribute where they initial is being stolen in a way, and they might not be contribute and leave Wikipedia. That is not the spirit of a Wikipedian and not a right way to go. You have redirect hundred of subject which are not notable not only the UFC fighter, everyone in Wikipedia could easy go to your creation log and see that, nothing is hidden in Wikipedia it is the matter if one want to investigate and link all the history together to see one's motive and behavior. How often you actually contribute vs your redirect, how many times you have stolen other editor work vs you do yourself, how many times your creations have been rejected and deleted and how many times you have been complaints in ANI. Wikipedia started with ppl want to to share knowledge to general large from those who are knowledgeable, willing to do the research to find source to cite (even they know the subject so well they still need to find source to cite as all just like in academy fields and journalism) and those who are technical in software put their time to develop application for all of us to gain the knowledge if we want to as long as we have a computer and connected to internet. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 04:35, 9 February 2018 (UTC) Like I said though how can I take credit for a redirect because all people have to do is look at the creation log and see that I made a redirect, they can also see who's the one who added all the info on the article so how can I steal attribution on a redirect if all somebody has to do is check the creation log. And the Redirect Vs contribution argument. Well yeah I have made loads of redirects but I don't see them as articles I have created because if you go to the creation log you can see that all I did was put in a redirect and you can see who put in all the information. Last thing is that no topic has to be notable to be redirected and I am not the first too redirect to similar pages. For example some NXT wrestlers are redirected to List of WWE personnelRickyc123 (talk) 09:43, 9 February 2018 (UTC)Rickyc123 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Please keep comments focused on discussing the redirects Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Galobtter (pingó mió) 17:47, 10 February 2018 (UTC) Keep Seems like a valid search term, proposer also seems to have a dislike of redirect creator, so taking into account the likelyness of someone watching a UFC event and searching the name of a fighter i say these are useful to the project with no valid deletion rationale. GuzzyG (talk) 07:37, 11 February 2018 (UTC) ::Comment. Please note Rickyc 123 is on the investigation on copied and pasted other editors's content from draft and create his own with evident and warn few times and now is not voting him to be banned on certain rights. see [[[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Proposal - Article creation ban#User:Rickyc123 gaming the system - part 2. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 12:14, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Outside of Ricky and Cass, there hasn't been much participation. While the latest ANI thread may be interesting background, this discussion is not about the users. Please focus on the redirects and whether they are useful or should be deleted. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ Amory (u • t • c) 13:11, 18 February 2018 (UTC) Keep all (see below) - useful search terms. I haven't reviewed the ANI or whatever but if attribution is an issue then the cut-and-pasted drafts can be historymerged into the redirects to correct that problem. It's a bit of a job, but I have tomorrow off. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:08, 18 February 2018 (UTC) *Comment - Please note User:Rickyc123 has been banned with an expiration time of indefinite (account creation blocked) (Copyright violations: Persistant, willful violations of WP:CWW after multiple warnings; see ANI for evidence) - see block log here [20]. Please note I dont think historymerge could be used on a redirect page which was already create in the first place for any creation of the subject the creator name will be [[user:Rickyc123] - do correct me if my understanding is incorrect. No other list of promotions fighters that do not meet nobility (with same info, name, nick name and mma record) has redirect in such way, why single out UFC fighters? here is the list of bellator, invicta and ufc list of current fighters for view - List of current UFC fighters, List of current Invicta FC fighters and List of current Bellator fighters. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 08:07, 19 February 2018 (UTC) Your assumption about history merges is incorrect. History merging blends the revision history of two pages into one page, then the "creator" (for tools which report it) would be the editor who first edited the draft, assuming the draft is older than the redirect. See the revision history of Kalindra Faria for example, which I've just repaired as it was obvious that Rickyc123 copied the content from Draft:Kalindra Faria. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 15:20, 20 February 2018 (UTC) @Ivanvector:, Hi, I know about Kalindra Faria incident and other 6 other Rickyc123 has copied and pasted from draft copy of other editors and make his own and understand about the histmerge as I am the one who raise the ANI on him (see part 1 on the case). This is not the same thing which I trying to address. Rickyc123 create the subject "first" and immediately redirect to List of current UFC fighters where the subject (fighters) do not meet the nobility of WP:NMMA and when "one day and if" the the subjects/fighters are notable and other editors come along and create the page, (by removing the #REDIRECT), the page creator would belong to Rickyc123 instead the actual editor who put the work and do the research to "actually" create the content. If you have a look at this creation log [21], a series of "TV series/drama" has been raised in redirect for discussion see here - Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 December 31#The ABC Murders (TV series) and the result was delete all. Question - would the same if someone create subject of potential to be NBA player one day and #REDIRECT to a general page of NBA and waiting someone one day and "if" the subject/player to be notable and create them where this is would bring to "redirect for discussion" and the decision would be kept and not deleted like the ABC Murders TV series, that would puzzle me. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 06:33, 21 February 2018 (UTC) Depends List of current UFC fighters needs to decide whether they only want fighters that meet WP:NMMA as their common selection criteria WP:CSC, or whether any fighter that has participated in a UFC match is okay. If it's any fighter, then you can keep the redirects even if they only competed in 1 or 2 matches so far. If the fighter is not mentioned on the list, then delete or redirect to List of former UFC fighters if they meet the criteria for that list. The "former" list does not exist though. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 01:31, 22 February 2018 (UTC) COMMENT- @AngusWOOF:. Greetings to you. As per WP:NMMA only fighters fought under top tier with 3 fights is considered WP:CSC. I am one of the regular and active editor maintain of List of current UFC fighters - pls go to the page history diff to have a look I have 1,156 edits on this page - pls see [22] under "top edited page" section. user:PRehse is one of most experience editors since 2005 in portal/wiki project martial arts who voted "delete all" for all this redirects (see above) and another editor is user:Papaursa. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 14:07, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Thanks. I would scrub the list first to ensure everyone is meeting the CSC first and then keep redirects to people on that list. The others that don't meet the CSC established should be deleted. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 18:01, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Speedy keep a few which are no longer redirects: Kalindra Faria was copied inappropriately from a preexisting draft. I have historymerged the draft into the article. Swarm also fixed it. It's very fixed. Dan Ige and Saparbek Safarov have been expanded since this discussion started. Speedy retarget Deiveson Alcântara Figueiredo to Deiveson Figueiredo, article already exists. Delete Grant Dawson, not listed at target. Keep all of the rest, as they are currently useful redirects to individuals listed at the target and thus WP:RFD#K5 useful search terms. Iff those names are removed from the list then the redirects should be relisted or deleted, but the content of the list is outside the scope of this discussion. Note as well that Julian Marquez and Alex Perez (fighter) have preexisting drafts (at Draft:Julian Marquez and Draft:Alex Perez respectively). If they had been promoted before this discussion then the redirects would have been automatically overwritten. Since those redirects now have non-trivial edit history thanks to having been nominated here, a pagemover will have to do it. -- Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 15:05, 22 February 2018 (UTC) COMMENT- @Ivanvector: the clause as you mentioned WP:RFD#K5 covers a wide and limitless clauses, it seems if someone find useful and deter from the core policy of wikpedia of nobility, RS and CSC would would be part of inclusion - if that what wikipedia policies serve here if guidelines would be turn by someone find useful which all the AfD, page review, counter vandalism serve no purpose and find reason frustrates here. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 17:13, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Violations report[edit] Violations report → Security controls  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Term not found in target article: no indication that this is a useful redirect. PamD 11:58, 18 February 2018 (UTC) This is Certified Information Systems Security Professional jargon, didn't think it needed citations as it was only a redirect Deku-shrub (talk) 13:23, 18 February 2018 (UTC) We don't need citations for a redirect, but there should be some content in the target article that explains how this relates to the subject, otherwise it's just pair of vague words. As it is I endorse deletion: without any context suggested at the target, there are a very wide range of topics this could apply to. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 15:23, 20 February 2018 (UTC) OSO accolades[edit] OSO accolades → List of accolades received by Om Shanti Om  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Doesn't seem appropriate - OSO has so many meanings apart from this one film. PamD 11:44, 18 February 2018 (UTC) Delete - vague. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 15:23, 20 February 2018 (UTC) Delete per nom. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 02:56, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Brad Knowles-Tagg[edit] Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Withdrawn TOKI (satellite)[edit] Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Withdrawn RV32C[edit] RV32C → RISC-V  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Term not found in target article: no indication that this is a useful redirect. PamD 11:14, 18 February 2018 (UTC) I would think a simple Google search for RV32C reveals the relevance: It's the standard abbreviation for the 32-bit compressed instruction set. The term may not appear literally in the article, but the linked section states that the letter "C" refers to the compression extension, and RV32C is the standard way of expressing that as part of the 32-bit ISA. --Dolda2000 (talk) 15:17, 18 February 2018 (UTC) @Dolda2000: A Google search shouldn't be necessary to explain why a redirect goes where it does. If it's the standard abbreviation, then please add it to the article with a source to support it. Thanks. PamD 17:08, 18 February 2018 (UTC) It is mentioned in the article, just not in that specific form. The article makes it clear in several places that RV32/RV64 are the common prefixes for all ISA abbreviations, and also explicitly states "C" being the abbreviated name for the compressed extension. It's also mentioned in several combinations all over the page, such as RV32IMC or RV32GC --Dolda2000 (talk) 03:56, 21 February 2018 (UTC) @Dolda2000: Please add an explicit mention of this term to the page: if a reader gets redirected to this quite long page and does a search for the term in the page they will at present not find it. PamD 09:05, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Keep - seems to be a standard abbreviation for a subject discussed at the target, and not confusing with any other use that I can think of. Harmless and possibly useful. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 15:25, 20 February 2018 (UTC) Marc Europe[edit] Marc Europe → David C. Cook  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Term does not appear in target article; no indication that this is a useful redirect. PamD 11:07, 18 February 2018 (UTC) Delete I don't see a notable company or a person named Marc Europe. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 02:52, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Zardu Hasselfrau[edit] Zardu Hasselfrau → David Hasselhoff  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Term not mentioned in target article: no indication that this is a useful redirect. PamD 10:50, 18 February 2018 (UTC) It's the character he played in Guardians of the Galaxy 2, a parody of himself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 53zodiac (talk • contribs) 13:25, 18 February 2018 (UTC) Retarget to Guardians of the Galaxy 2 then unless it's described in detail in the legacy section of David Hasselhoff's article. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:07, 18 February 2018 (UTC) Done. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 53zodiac (talk • contribs) 20:28, 18 February 2018 (UTC) PamD, do you have any further concerns about this redirect? If not, this can be procedural closed. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 01:45, 22 February 2018 (UTC) As far as I can see this term doesn't appear in new target article either, so still no evidence for its usefulness. PamD 06:55, 22 February 2018 (UTC) The article says "David Hasselhoff makes a cameo appearance as himself" with no mention of this alternative name. If it's sourceable, please will someone add it there with a source. PamD 09:07, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Three sources added. 53zodiac (talk) 00:50, 24 February 2018 (UTC) He's credited as "The Form of David Hasselhoff", so the sources will have to provide the informal nickname if notable. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 02:24, 24 February 2018 (UTC) Internet shorthand notation[edit] Internet shorthand notation → Mathematical markup language  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Delete – The redirect arose as the outcome of a 2007 deletion discussion, the idea being that the (unsourced) content might be merged to the redirect target. However, this never happened and the target article does not reference the concept of an "Internet notation" or other shorthand notation in any way, making the redirect useless or even confusing.  --Lambiam 10:23, 18 February 2018 (UTC) Weak retarget to Internet slang since that mentions Internet shorthand in the lead sentence. Note there is nothing in List of shorthand systems. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:05, 18 February 2018 (UTC) Remark. A Google search for "Internet shorthand notation" only returns results going back on the pre-2007 Wikipedia article or the current redirect. Apparently, it is not a plausible search term for the topic of the Internet slang article. So the proposed retargeting will not be useful.  --Lambiam 11:35, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Dontang[edit] Dontang → Dongtan  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Delete WP:XY. Could be a typo for Dongtan or Dontan or Dongtang, but isn't the actual name of anything. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 08:37, 9 February 2018 (UTC) Keep as Dongtan is a dab page. I've added Dontan to the See also of that dab page. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 20:58, 9 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ⓩⓟⓟⓘⓧ Talk 03:20, 18 February 2018 (UTC) Keep per AngusWOOF: the disambiguation page provides the reader with all the plausible intended targets, so there's no obvious risk of confusion. (Is it possible that this not a typo but rather alternative or historical transliteration, in the same way Guangdong was traditionally romanised as Kwangtung, Sichuan as Szechuan, and so on?) – Arms & Hearts (talk) 17:52, 19 February 2018 (UTC) 2005 film of Walt Disney pictures[edit] 2005 film of Walt Disney pictures → Sky High (2005 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Useless redirect, no need to be there 2A02:C7F:9659:4500:5801:116F:415A:850 (talk) 16:39, 18 February 2018 (UTC) Delete As per nominator. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 17:06, 18 February 2018 (UTC) Delete per nom. If this is supposed to be an acceptable format then possible retarget to List_of_Walt_Disney_Pictures_films#2000s AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 02:55, 22 February 2018 (UTC) February 17[edit] Civitas Counterpoint[edit] Civitas Counterpoint → Basic Books  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Term not present in target article; no indication why this is a useful redirect. PamD 16:21, 17 February 2018 (UTC) Comment Well, back after Perseus Books Group bought Basic Books (which had a "Basic Civitas" imprint) and before they sold the Counterpoint imprint, they published a few books under a Civitas/Counterpoint joint imprint. If we had sources, Civitas Counterpoint would probably be a reasonable {{R from incorrect name}}+{{R avoided double redirect}}, given that the spaced form appears even in printed citations. But it seems to require borderline WP:OR to be able to mention anything about this situation in an article; Perseus don't discuss it on their own website, and secondary sources don't mention it either. The only verification I can find that this was even ever a thing is the books themselves that say "Civitas/Counterpoint", e.g. [23]. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 06:03, 19 February 2018 (UTC) Graphics.com[edit] Graphics.com → Mediabistro (website)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Term not present in target article; no indication why this is a useful redirect. PamD 16:14, 17 February 2018 (UTC) Delete per nom. Graphics.com is a dead website with no obvious connection to article subject. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:47, 18 February 2018 (UTC) Lost Jewel of Orion[edit] Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Keep. The Lost Jewel of Orion[edit] Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Keep. S. Maria «Regina Pacis» in Ostia mare[edit] S. Maria «Regina Pacis» in Ostia mare → List of titular churches in Rome#Cardinal priests  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ] Santa Maria «Regina Pacis» in Ostia mare → List of titular churches in Rome#Cardinal priests  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ] Santi Protomartiri a Via Aurelia Antica → List of titular churches in Rome#Cardinal priests  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ] Ss. Protomartiri a Via Aurelia Antica → List of titular churches in Rome#Cardinal priests  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Currently circularly redirect to the general article listing titular churches (to a missing anchor) – none of the other churches in the article do so. Suggest to delete until these articles are separately created. RAVENPVFF | talk ~ 10:47, 17 February 2018 (UTC) Mass trucking[edit] Mass trucking → Vehicle-ramming attack  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Not seeing term in target article, and this is the name of at least one real-world freight company, so this is not desirable or particualrly helpful. Beeblebrox (talk) 00:52, 17 February 2018 (UTC) Delete as WP:R#D8 unlikely synonym. I cannot find any WP:RS using the term "mass trucking" in the "mass shooting but with a truck" sense of this redirect, meaning there's no way to include any sourced content about this name at the target or elsewhere. Aside from proper nouns mentioned by the nominator, all the printed usages I can find are in the "freight transport" sense [24][25], and the search engine already does an adequate job directing readers to Wikipedia articles about those. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 05:48, 17 February 2018 (UTC) February 16[edit] Greek Orthodox Ochrid Archbishopric[edit] Greek Orthodox Ochrid Archbishopric → Orthodox Ohrid Archbishopric  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  With the exception of the foreign text at the bottom of the lead, this target article doesn't seem to have any affinity with any aspect Greek. That, and if there was any Greek affinity, most likely such a title would be in Greek itself. Steel1943 (talk) 23:41, 16 February 2018 (UTC) There might be something here. Orthodox organization can be very confusing, but I get the sense from the lede and Reference 45 especially that this is the orthodox church in Macedonia aligned with mainstream Eastern Orthodoxy, as opposed to Macedonian Orthodox Church – Ohrid Archbishopric. That's perhaps more of an argument for Eastern Orthodox Ochrid Archbishopric, though I think Greek-Macedonian relations have some relevance. I'm not inclined to delete. --BDD (talk) 21:12, 23 February 2018 (UTC) Tertiary constraint[edit] Tertiary constraint → Primary constraint  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  This is a redirect to Primary constraint, but that article does not use this term (neither as a synonym nor as a related idea being discussed). Instead, the "primary" article says there are only primary and secondary, with secondary defined as anything that is not primary, therefore there is no topic-space for any other *ary. The only inbound link is a SEEALSO of Constraint (classical mechanics) as an un-annotated list list of all *ary. DMacks (talk) 17:33, 7 February 2018 (UTC) As with quaternary constraint, it does actually discuss it. I don't know whether it makes sense to keep the redirect, though. --Trovatore (talk) 18:44, 12 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BDD (talk) 22:30, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Keep mentions and explains that some authors use the terminology of tertiary constraint. I don't really understand it, but it does explain what it is, so it seems reasonable. Galobtter (pingó mió) 11:30, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Quaternary constraint[edit] Quaternary constraint → Primary constraint  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  This is a redirect to Primary constraint, but that article does not use this term (neither as a synonym nor as a related idea being discussed). Instead, the "primary" article says there are only primary and secondary, with secondary defined as anything that is not primary, therefore there is no topic-space for any other *ary. The only inbound link is a SEEALSO of Constraint (classical mechanics) as an un-annotated list list of all *ary. DMacks (talk) 17:33, 7 February 2018 (UTC) No, it does discuss it. Look further down. It's parenthetical and attributed to "a few authors". On the other hand, the first hit for "quaternary constraint" in double quotes is something from enzymatic chemistry that to my naive eyes appears unrelated (at least, the word "Lagrangian" does not seem to appear, if Ctrl+F can be trusted in a PDF file). So maybe delete per WP:XY? --Trovatore (talk) 11:01, 8 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Relist to keep these two together Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ Amory (u • t • c) 15:24, 18 February 2018 (UTC) List of designers of the Final Fantasy series[edit] List of designers of the Final Fantasy series → Final Fantasy#Design  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  The most important designers are noted in the article, but there is not a straight up list of them. Redirect implies something different than what exists. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 16:09, 6 February 2018 (UTC) Delete There's no specific list of designers that needs to be compiled. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:57, 7 February 2018 (UTC) Retarget/Keep It points to the Design section, which goes rather into depth on the process and yes, designers themselves. That section links to Category:Final Fantasy designers, which, incidentally, is where this redirect pointed before it was changed four years in (and seven years ago). As such, I'm in favor of restoring the redirect to the category, or at least keeping it as-is, which gives more prose and provides the category link (one extra click/pageload). ~ Amory (u • t • c) 16:40, 15 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BDD (talk) 22:26, 16 February 2018 (UTC) St. Joseph's High School, Mysore[edit] St. Joseph's High School, Mysore → St Joseph's Primary School, Mysore  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Delete St. Joseph's High School, Mysore as implausible/impossible redirect to St Joseph's Primary School, Mysore (see [26]). I may have screwed up in trying to consolidate nearly identical school names.. Quis separabit? 22:44, 5 February 2018 (UTC) Comment The high school isn't a redirect at the moment. Can you clean up what you want to do with the two articles first? The high school one is a stub, and the primary school one is undergoing some sort of histmerge? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 19:00, 6 February 2018 (UTC) Comment: The target article is an almost duplicate of http://mdes.co.in/st-josephs-primary-school-jayalakshmipuram-mysuru. I'm considering tagging it as a WP:COPYVIO, but I'm not 100% convinced since the wording is slightly different. Steel1943 (talk) 18:11, 12 February 2018 (UTC) ...I mean, considering the amount of content that is currently in that article, the similarities are quite close. The article is not nearly as long as the web page I linked, but the entirety of the article almost mirrors what is on that web site by almost half. Steel1943 (talk) 18:16, 12 February 2018 (UTC) It appears there is a high school, but can't find when it was founded; you appear to have changed the high school to a primary school. Primary school would anyway be not notable and so should be redirected to Mysore. Galobtter (pingó mió) 06:25, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BDD (talk) 22:24, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Slash Puppet[edit] Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: procedural close. Wacky (behavior)[edit] Wacky (behavior) → Eccentricity (behavior)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Recently created set of (behavior) synonym redirects that go against WP:NOTDICTIONARY. Is this really necessary? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 19:59, 16 February 2018 (UTC) 1) The whole purpose of having a 'wacky...' redirect was to have wacky categorized under Category:Pejorative terms for people because Wikipedia has at least one article (even if it is a disambiguation page) starting with the word wacky. If the redirect is deleted, then perhaps we should also delete the entire category. Alternatively, place this categorization elsewhere. I had originally placed it in Wacky, a disambiguation page, but that was reverted. If we keep the category, and have any page beginning with wacky, then we should populate that category methodically - or should we?. So which is more important - having a useful category (which has dictionary-like semantics), or being strict about WP:NOTDICTIONARY? Perhaps we need additional guidelines? 2) On a related note, there are many one word articles that are either disambiguation pages to articles with that word as a label, e.g., the name of a song, (rather than that word as a concept); or alternatively the most popular label of that word. Both of these cases limit effective categorization of the concept behind the word, because the concept article has not yet been written, even though the categories do exist. Its really a problem of coherence & completeness across Wikipedia articles & categories. I am a huge fan of coherence and completeness as I think these trump some guidelines (WP:Ignore all rules). I recommend keep: and/or update guidelines. Dpleibovitz (talk) 22:17, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Delete per nom. An encyclopedia is not a thesaurus, but either way, the two words are not closely enough related for one to redirect to the other. Steel1943 (talk) 03:33, 18 February 2018 (UTC) Repatriation Hospital in Hollywood[edit] Repatriation Hospital in Hollywood → Hollywood Private Hospital  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  No mention of term in target article; no indication of usefulness of redirect. Accurate descriptive term for former name/function, but we don't include all of those as redirects. PamD 19:23, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Ty Roberts[edit] Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete. Dorchester Atheneum[edit] Dorchester Atheneum → Dorchester, Boston  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  No mention of term in target article; no indication of usefulness of redirect. PamD 19:10, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Hi PamD. I made the redirect. The term "Dorchester Atheneum" is mentioned 15 times in Dorchester, Boston, including in External links (the other 14 are in refs). Disclaimer: I have never been to Dorchester. DadaNeem (talk) 19:43, 16 February 2018 (UTC) @DadaNeem: It's not mentioned in the text of the article, only as source of some references. For the redirect to be useful the article needs to tell us something about the Atheneum. Is it an organisation, a newspaper, a building, or what? Actually it seems to be a website, operated by one person, so may not even be a WP:RS - see here. We wouldn't usually redirect from the name of a website just because it's been cited in an article. There was apparently (same source) a library of that name briefly in the 19th century but it's not mentioned in the article. PamD 20:03, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Natan de Breslov[edit] Natan de Breslov → Nachman of Breslov  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Term not present in target article; no indication of usefulness of redirect. PamD 18:53, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Kerala State Television Award for Best Dubbing Artist[edit] Kerala State Television Award for Best Dubbing Artist → Kerala State Film Awards  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  No indication that these awards include television - either at target article or at Kerala State Film Award for Best Dubbing Artist which is linked from it and would be better target if the award was shown to include TV PamD 18:43, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Comment: Wrong target article. The article it supposed to link to (Kerala State Television Awards) presently does not exists, but possibly in future, since there are Kerala State Television Award for Best Actress and Best Actor.--Let There Be Sunshine 19:21, 16 February 2018 (UTC) The Television Awards articles were deleted Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kerala State Television Awards. Not sure why the Best Actress and Best Actor ones are still around. Maybe those are notable or were created in spite of the main award being deleted? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 23:57, 16 February 2018 (UTC) 2018 TCR BeNeLux Touring Car Championship[edit] 2018 TCR BeNeLux Touring Car Championship → 2018 TCR Europe Series  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  No mention of this term in article; no indication of usefulness of this redirect. PamD 18:35, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Keep — new TCR BeNeLux Series season will be held as part of TCR Europe. This is written in the article. Link7344 (talk) 23:46, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Investec South African Women's Open[edit] Investec South African Women's Open → South African Women's Open  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  No mention of this term in article; no indication of usefulness of this redirect. If sponsor's name is significant the sponsored title should be included in the article. PamD 18:34, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Keep Redirects like this is standard practice for golf tournaments, as they change sponsors frequently. Acer SA Women's Open and Cell C South African Women's Open also redirect to South African Women's Open. As a comparison, the male South African Open (golf) has about 15 redirects of this type. I agree these names should be included in the article. Derlinus (talk) 04:10, 17 February 2018 (UTC) Hill People's Union[edit] Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: procedural close Mon Foring[edit] Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: deleted Shopno Bari[edit] Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: withdrawn. Paramount Network Sports[edit] Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Speedily deleted. Spike Sports[edit] Spike Sports → List of programs broadcast by Paramount Network  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  No mention of this term in article; no indication of usefulness of this redirect. (No "Sport" section on target page) PamD 18:21, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Retargeted to List of programs broadcast by Spike#Sports A botched copy-paste of content from the Paramount article to a new Spike article was done here (that was a mess that didn't need to happen), so it's now in the proper place. This can be closed. Nate • (chatter) 19:43, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Lady xorn[edit] Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: withdrawn. List of Road FC Featherwegiht Champions[edit] Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete. Best novels ever[edit] Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete. Monster rabbit[edit] Monster rabbit → Donnie Darko  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  This redirect is vague and could refer to more than just the rabbit in Donnie Darko. In fact, when I see this phrase, I think of the subject of Rabbit of Caerbannog. Steel1943 (talk) 14:03, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Delete. Even if you assume that no other monster rabbits exist, it doesn't even accurately describe the film character. —Xezbeth (talk) 20:03, 16 February 2018 (UTC) keep The article contains "monstrous rabbit" and the redirect is useful for people wondering what movie the monster rabbit came from. Bod (talk) 04:24, 18 February 2018 (UTC) As I stated in my nomination statement, there are multiple bunnies (mainly fictional) that could be considered a "monster". The redirect isn't even an actual name of the subject in Donnie Darko. In the redirect's present state, it is akin to a WP:NOTWIKIA violation where such a redirect used in this manner would only belong on a Donnie Darko wiki; forwarding readers to an one example of an ambiguous term is unhelpful in an encyclopedia. Steel1943 (talk) 15:06, 23 February 2018 (UTC) Dark Cloud 3[edit] Dark Cloud 3 → Dark Cloud  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  The sequel to Dark Cloud 2 is not mentioned in the target article or Dark Cloud 2. Fails WP:CRYSTAL. Steel1943 (talk) 14:00, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Delete as failed crystal. It's been ages, at least in video game years. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:10, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Keep Retarget to Dark Cloud 2 and add mention in the article - Plenty of SIGCOV in reliable sources like Polygon in 2017 (Level-5 wants another Dark Cloud as much as you do), Kotaku in 2012 (https://kotaku.com/5967830/sorry-i-still-havent-made-dark-cloud-3-despite-your-requests), Kotaku in 2009 (Level 5: More People Need To Ask For A Dark Cloud Sequel), Rolling Stone magazine in 2017 (Level 5 Working on a Switch Game, Sadly Probably Not 'Dark Cloud 3') (reporting on a Japanese interview for Nikkei BP http://trendy.nikkeibp.co.jp/atcl/column/16/021400099/051000011/), PSMania magazine reported in 2006 that the game was in development (scan published here), SegmentNext in 2015 https://segmentnext.com/2015/12/04/it-looks-like-level-5s-ps4-game-is-dark-cloud-3-expected-at-psx/ (no vetted reliability). I'll make sure to throw these on the article talkpage after this RfD is done if they haven't been added to the article yet. Ben · Salvidrim! ✉ 09:52, 18 February 2018 (UTC) @Salvidrim!: Though I'm not necessarily agreeing with your statement, given that the references you provided are essentially for speculation on a new title happening but nothing actually confirmed ... if the redirect was to refer to information you are referencing, would the preferred target then be Dark Chronicle (Dark Cloud 2), given that no series article for Dark Cloud exists? Steel1943 (talk) 19:21, 18 February 2018 (UTC) Oops, yeah, sorry, I thought DC3 already redirected to DC2. Since there is no series page the information should be in a "Sequel" subsection of "Development" (or perhaps "Reception" is more apt here) of the latest game. Ben · Salvidrim! ✉ 22:07, 18 February 2018 (UTC) Retarget is good. Bod (talk) 22:47, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Stinky monkey[edit] Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete. A Monster[edit] A Monster → The Monster (song)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  This redirect is vague. It could even be used to refer to Monster. However, delete as unlikely for either target per WP:NOTLYRICS for the first and the use of "A" for the other. Steel1943 (talk) 13:53, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Delete per nom. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 00:02, 17 February 2018 (UTC) Keep as a possible misspelling for someone who thinks the lyrics use a different article. Notice the redirect has Monster with a capital letter. Bod (talk) 04:26, 18 February 2018 (UTC) Delete. If the name of the song is "The Monster" it really doesn't need a redirect at "A Monster." Mention of capitalisation is rather a mute point as searches do not distinquish (if it did a search for 'THE MONSTER' wouldn't have any results, would it?). If the redirect were to remain, it should point to one of the more significant uses, Monster or Monster (disambiguation). --Richhoncho (talk) 10:24, 19 February 2018 (UTC) Comment actually the capitalization matters on at least one search page. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=a+monster&title=Special:Search&profile=default&fulltext=1&searchToken=bnvoz46tv6n855lwvzu4djzh3. Bod (talk) 22:45, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Stink bug australia[edit] Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete. Kunjali Marakkar (2014 film)[edit] Kunjali Marakkar (2014 film) → Amal Neerad  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Shelved film and 2014 is over. Unlikely to search for a non-existing film of 2014. --Let There Be Sunshine 08:42, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Monsters and imaginary beasts[edit] Monsters and imaginary beasts → Monster  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  Not sure it's a useful redirect, but if it is, perhaps legendary creature is a better target. This could also be an WP:XY situation. -- Tavix (talk) 04:19, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Comment Maybe this came from the Harry Potter movie "Fantastic Beasts...."? Bod (talk) 04:51, 18 February 2018 (UTC) Delete Feels XY to me. --BDD (talk) 20:52, 23 February 2018 (UTC) Siedem brudne słowa[edit] Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete. Waiting for Sugar Man[edit] Waiting for Sugar Man → Searching for Sugar Man  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  The redirect doesn't seem to be an alternative name or common misnomer for its target. Steel1943 (talk) 03:33, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Keep useful for someone who confused "Waiting for Superman" with "Searching for Sugar Man". Bod (talk) 04:34, 18 February 2018 (UTC) Keep per Bod. I could see such confusion via Waiting for Godot, or even Waiting for Guffman. --BDD (talk) 20:48, 23 February 2018 (UTC) Butt rash[edit] Butt rash → Irritant diaper dermatitis  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  I am not finding any evidence of this being an alternative term for rashes caused by diapers that are exclusive to babies. That, and adults can have rashes on their buttocks as well, and they aren't always caused by diapers. But, then again, there is also a chance that a baby could have a rash on its buttocks not caused by a diaper as well. Steel1943 (talk) 03:28, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Delete just reading this makes me itch. Legacypac (talk) 06:50, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Keep This is the best redirect for the common term "butt rash" and it is not "infant diaper dermatitis". It even says in the article that a diaper does not have to be used. Bod (talk) 04:29, 18 February 2018 (UTC) As I stared above, since the redirect is ambiguous and could refer to more than just its current target, redirecting readers to this specific article is actually unhelpful. Best to delete this redirect so that Wikipedia's search function can do its job. Steel1943 (talk) 06:10, 18 February 2018 (UTC) Toothpaste list[edit] Toothpaste list → List of toothpaste brands  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]  This redirect isn't exclusive to brands of toothpaste. It could also refer to the types of toothpaste mentioned at Toothpaste#History. Steel1943 (talk) 00:40, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Keep as most obvious redirect. Bod (talk) 04:31, 18 February 2018 (UTC) I must disagree, given that the redirect is ambiguous. "Types" does not exclusively mean "brands" in regards to types of toothpaste. Steel1943 (talk) 06:01, 18 February 2018 (UTC) Keep I don't know likely a search term this is, but I do think that's probably what they'd be looking for. --BDD (talk) 20:46, 23 February 2018 (UTC) Redirects to Insult[edit] Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete No money no family[edit] Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete Boiled beans[edit] Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 February 23#Boiled beans Shit dick[edit] Closed discussion, see full discussion. 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