Information on the process[edit] What may be nominated for deletion here: Pages in these namespaces: Book:, Draft:, Help:, Portal:, MediaWiki:, Wikipedia: (including WikiProjects), User:, TimedText:, Education Program:, Topic:, Gadget:, Gadget definition:, and the various Talk: namespaces Userboxes (regardless of namespace) Files in the File namespace that have a local description pages but no local file (if there is a local file, Wikipedia:Files for discussion is the right venue) Any other page, that is not in article space, where there is dispute as to the correct XfD venue. Requests to undelete pages deleted after discussion here, and debate whether discussions here have been properly closed, both take place at Wikipedia:Deletion review, in accordance with Wikipedia's undeletion policy. 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Problematic userspace material is often addressed by the User pages guidelines including in some cases removal by any user or tagging to clarify the content or to prevent external search engine indexing. (Examples include copies of old, deleted, or disputed material, problematic drafts, promotional material, offensive material, inappropriate links, 'spoofing' of the MediaWiki interface, disruptive HTML, invitations or advocacy of disruption, certain kinds of images and image galleries, etc) If your concern relates to these areas consider these approaches as well, or instead of, deletion. User pages about Wikipedia-related matters by established users usually do not qualify for deletion. Articles that were recently deleted at AfD and then moved to userspace are generally not deleted unless they have lingered in userspace for an extended period of time without improvement to address the concerns that resulted in their deletion at AfD, or their content otherwise violates a global content policy such as our policies on Biographies of living persons that applies to any namespace. Policies, guidelines and process pages Established pages and their sub-pages should not be nominated, as such nominations will probably be considered disruptive, and the ensuing discussions closed early. This is not a forum for modifying or revoking policy. Instead consider tagging the policy as {{historical}} or redirecting it somewhere. Proposals still under discussion generally should not be nominated. If you oppose a proposal, discuss it on the policy page's discussion page. Consider being bold and improving the proposal. Modify the proposal so that it gains consensus. Also note that even if a policy fails to gain consensus, it is often useful to retain it as a historical record, for the benefit of future editors. WikiProjects and their subpages It is generally preferable that inactive WikiProjects not be deleted, but instead be marked as {{WikiProject status|inactive}}, redirected to a relevant WikiProject, or changed to a task force of a parent WikiProject, unless the WikiProject was incompletely created or is entirely undesirable. WikiProjects that were never very active and which do not have substantial historical discussions (meaning multiple discussions over an extended period of time) on the project talk page should not be tagged as {{historical}}; reserve this tag for historically active projects that have, over time, been replaced by other processes or that contain substantial discussion (as defined above) of the organization of a significant area of Wikipedia. Before deletion of an inactive project with a founder or other formerly active members who are active elsewhere on Wikipedia, consider userfication. Notify the main WikiProject talk page when nominating any WikiProject subpage, in addition to standard notification of the page creator. Alternatives to deletion Normal editing that doesn't require the use of any administrator tools, such as merging the page into another page or renaming it, can often resolve problems. Pages in the wrong namespace (e.g. an article in Wikipedia namespace), can simply be moved and then tag the redirect for speedy deletion using {{db-g6|rationale= it's a redirect left after a cross-namespace move}}. Notify the author of the original article of the cross-namespace move. Alternatives to MfD Speedy deletion If the page clearly satisfies a "general" or "user" speedy deletion criterion, tag it with the appropriate template. Be sure to read the entire criterion, as some do not apply in the user space. Proposed deletion is an option for non-controversial deletions of books (in both User: and Book: namespaces). Please familiarize yourself with the following policies[edit] Wikipedia:Deletion policy – our deletion policy that describes how we delete things by consensus Wikipedia:Deletion process – our guidelines on how to list anything for deletion Wikipedia:Guide to deletion – whose guidelines on discussion format and shorthands also apply here Wikipedia:Project namespace – our guidelines on "Wikipedia" namespace pages Wikipedia:User page – our guidelines on user pages and user subpages Wikipedia:Userboxes – our guideline on userboxes How to list pages for deletion[edit] Please check the aforementioned list of deletion discussion areas to check that you are in the right area. Then follow these instructions: Click to view instructions on listing pages for deletion To list a page for deletion, follow this three-step process: (replace PageName with the name of the page, including its namespace, to be deleted) Note: Users must be logged in to complete step II. An unregistered user who wishes to nominate a page for deletion should complete step I and post their reasoning on Wikipedia talk:Miscellany for deletion with a notification to a registered user to complete the process. I. Edit PageName: Enter the following text at the top of the page you are listing for deletion: {{mfd}} for a second or subsequent nomination use {{mfdx|2nd|{{subst:FULLPAGENAME}}}} If the nomination is for a userbox, please put <noinclude></noinclude> tags around the {{mfd}}, as to not mess up the formating for the userbox. or {{mfd|GroupName}} if nominating several similar related pages in an umbrella nomination. Choose a suitable name as GroupName and use it on each page. or {{subst:md1-inline|{{subst:FULLPAGENAME}}}} if you are nominating a userbox in userspace or similarly transcluded page. Please include in the edit summary the phrase Added MfD nomination at [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/PageName]] replace PageName with the name of the page that is up for deletion. Please don't mark your edit summary as a minor edit. Check the "Watch this page" box if you would like to follow the page in your watchlist. This may help you to notice if your MfD tag is removed by someone. Save the page II. Create its MfD subpage. The resulting MfD box at the top of the page should contain the link "this page's entry" Click that link to open the page's deletion discussion page. Insert this text: {{subst:mfd2| pg={{subst:#titleparts:{{subst:PAGENAME}}||2}}| text=Reason why the page should be deleted}} ~~~~ replacing Reason... with your reasons why the page should be deleted and sign the page. Do not substitute the pagename, as this will occur automatically. Consider checking "Watch this page" to follow the progress of the debate. Please use an edit summary such as Creating deletion discussion page for [[PageName]] replacing PageName with the name of the page you are proposing for deletion. Save the page. III. Add a line to MfD. Follow   this edit link   and add a line to the top of the list: {{subst:mfd3| pg=PageName}} Put the page's name in place of "PageName". Include the discussion page's name in your edit summary like Added [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/PageName]] replacing PageName with the name of the page you are proposing for deletion. Save the page. If nominating a page that has been nominated before, use the page's name in place of "PageName" and add {{priorxfd|PageName}} in the nominated page deletion discussion area to link to the previous discussions and then save the page using an edit summary such as Added [[Template:priorxfd]] to link to prior discussions. If nominating a page from someone else's userspace, notify them on their main talk page. For other pages, while not required, it is generally considered civil to notify the good-faith creator and any main contributors of the miscellany that you are nominating. To find the main contributors, look in the page history or talk page of the page and/or use TDS' Article Contribution Counter or Wikipedia Page History Statistics. For your convenience, you may add {{subst:MFDWarning|PageName}} ~~~~ to their talk page in the "edit source" section, replacing PageName with the pagename. Please use an edit summary such as Notice of deletion discussion at [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/PageName]] replacing PageName with the name of the nomination page you are proposing for deletion. If the user has not edited in a while, consider sending the user an email to notify them about the MfD if the MfD concerns their user pages. If you are nominating a Portal, please make a note of your nomination here and consider using the portal guidelines in your nomination. If you are nominating a WikiProject, please post a notice at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Council, in addition to the project's talk page and the talk pages of the founder and active members. Administrator instructions[edit] Administrator instructions for closing and relisting discussions can be found here.


Contents 1 Information on the process 1.1 Before nominating a page for deletion 1.2 Please familiarize yourself with the following policies 1.3 How to list pages for deletion 1.4 Administrator instructions 2 Current discussions 2.1 February 21, 2018 2.1.1 Wikipedia:WikiProject North America/The North America Destubathon 2.1.2 User talk:Obamatollah 2.1.3 User talk:J-twister 2.1.4 User talk:Bandana king 2.1.5 User:Gedeadi93/TopMovies21 2.1.6 Draft:Pewdiepie's Chair 2.1.7 Draft:نسرين الحمدانى 2.1.8 Draft:Kamogelo T-reX Letshwithi 2.1.9 User:Horsdt71/sandbox 2.1.10 Draft:Anna McHale 2.1.11 Draft:FAM71E1 2.1.12 Draft:Thomas Polk Park 2.1.13 Draft:Republic of Florida (group) 2.1.14 User:R.prasanna2892/Prasanna Venkatesh's Crazy equation 2.2 February 20, 2018 2.2.1 Draft:Social media and dark traits, depression, and suicide 2.2.2 User:Sweetsuresh777/sandbox 2.2.3 User:NapasornCho/sandbox 2.2.4 User:Hammon27/Coats of arms of U.S. Infantry Regiments 2.3 February 19, 2018 2.3.1 User:Dave Harton 2.3.2 User:Back files 2.3.3 Draft:Ushti Baba 2.3.4 Draft:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/Secondary focus 2.3.5 Draft:Ringed topos 2.4 February 18, 2018 2.4.1 Draft:Walter Noetico 2.4.2 Draft:David Parsons 2.4.3 User:Jonathan Parsonswhoa/sandbox/David Parsons 2.5 February 17, 2018 2.5.1 Draft:Blake Mawson 2.5.2 User:David B Miguel 2.5.3 Draft:Areeh.net 2.5.4 Draft:List of maritime science fiction works 2.5.5 Draft:Main theorem of elimination theory 2.5.6 Draft:Cyclic algebra 2.5.7 Draft:Hearts Pirates 2.5.8 Draft:Shrila Patitpavan Goswami Thakur 2.6 February 16, 2018 2.6.1 Draft:Guadalix Democratic Republic 2.6.2 Wikipedia:Route diagram template/Catalog of pictograms/elevated 2.6.3 Wikipedia:Route diagram template/Catalog of pictograms/embankment 2.6.4 Draft:Bredon cohomology 2.6.5 Draft:Ring with the approximation property 2.6.6 Draft:Discrepancy (algebraic geometry) 2.6.7 Draft:IDubbbzTV 2.6.8 User:Mattbuck/Wikipedia - FUCK YEAH! 2.6.9 Draft:Adria Rae 2.6.10 Draft:Cat Pausé 2.6.11 Draft:Bobby2pistols 2.6.12 User:007paritosh/sandbox 2.6.13 Draft:4imprint plc 2.6.14 Draft:ITF Junior Masters 2.7 February 14, 2018 2.7.1 Draft:National Venture Capital Association 2.7.2 Draft:Tom Jose 2.7.3 Draft:Bryce Morgan 2.8 February 13, 2018 2.8.1 Draft:Distributional calculus 2.8.2 Draft:Richard Snelgrove 2.8.3 User:Vbmakiling/Winthrop Effect 3 Old business 3.1 February 13, 2018 3.1.1 Draft:Giuseppe Cassar 3.1.2 Draft:Move This World 3.2 February 10, 2018 3.2.1 User:Valoem/List of auteurs 4 Closed discussions


Current discussions[edit] Pages currently being considered for deletion are indexed by the day on which they were first listed. Please place new listings at the top of the section for the current day. If no section for the current day is present, please start a new section. February 21, 2018[edit] Wikipedia:WikiProject North America/The North America Destubathon[edit] Wikipedia:WikiProject North America/The North America Destubathon (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) Page does not currently serve a purpose; see talk page discussion --Another Believer (Talk) 17:04, 21 February 2018 (UTC) User talk:Obamatollah[edit] User talk:Obamatollah (edit | subject | history | links | watch | logs) Empty talk page of indef blocked editor. Only revision contains BLP violations. Magioladitis (talk) 14:28, 21 February 2018 (UTC) umm it was an empty talkpage. There was nothing to delete until this discussion was noted on it. We can't delete users so se can't really remove their talk pages. Here is a list of userpages that need attention. [1] Legacypac (talk) 14:40, 21 February 2018 (UTC) Legacypac The revisions violate BLP too. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:51, 21 February 2018 (UTC) Speedy Delete or REVDEL that's nasty Legacypac (talk) 14:54, 21 February 2018 (UTC)  Done wbm1058 (talk) 16:57, 21 February 2018 (UTC) User talk:J-twister[edit] User talk:J-twister (edit | subject | history | links | watch | logs) Empty talk page. Trivial revision history. Magioladitis (talk) 14:26, 21 February 2018 (UTC) Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User talk:Bandana king The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page. The result of the discussion was: Speedy deleted. wbm1058 (talk) 17:17, 21 February 2018 (UTC) User talk:Bandana king[edit] User talk:Bandana king (edit | subject | history | links | watch | logs) Empty talk page. Revision history is vandalism and racist words Magioladitis (talk) 14:25, 21 February 2018 (UTC) The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page. User:Gedeadi93/TopMovies21[edit] User:Gedeadi93/TopMovies21 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) Abandoned draft in Indonesian about a now dead website distributing pirated films. Sam Sailor 10:38, 21 February 2018 (UTC) Delete clearly notable and deserves extensive coverage in English Wikipedia. Just look at the line up of editors wishing to delete Peter Wang (cadet) as we struggle to remove non-notable content about people and websites that no one but their promotor cares about learning about. Legacypac (talk) 14:11, 21 February 2018 (UTC) Draft:Pewdiepie's Chair[edit] Draft:Pewdiepie's Chair (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) Hopeless draft. We should discourage these. Legacypac (talk) 05:31, 21 February 2018 (UTC) Delete Could warrant a mention in the main article but doesn't seem notable enough for a full stand-alone article. ALH (talk) 07:39, 21 February 2018 (UTC) Draft:نسرين الحمدانى[edit] Draft:نسرين الحمدانى (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) Repeated submission of placeholder content under a non-English title. Legacypac (talk) 05:24, 21 February 2018 (UTC) Draft:Kamogelo T-reX Letshwithi[edit] Draft:Kamogelo T-reX Letshwithi (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) No chance of meeting WP:N. We need a CSD for these Legacypac (talk) 05:20, 21 February 2018 (UTC) Obvious delete. Why we don't have some form of A7 for drafts that have been submitted for review is beyond me. Draft space is a mess with stuff like this. Kb.au (talk) 14:32, 21 February 2018 (UTC) User:Horsdt71/sandbox[edit] User:Horsdt71/sandbox (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) Stupidity that will never be an article. We need a CSD for hopeless drafts. Legacypac (talk) 05:17, 21 February 2018 (UTC) Draft:Anna McHale[edit] Draft:Anna McHale (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) Either complete nonsense, an attempt at fiction, or an attack on the people named. We need a CSD for hopeless drafts. Legacypac (talk) 05:10, 21 February 2018 (UTC) Delete utter nonsense. ALH (talk) 07:44, 21 February 2018 (UTC) {{db|horseshit}} Reyk YO! 09:59, 21 February 2018 (UTC) Draft:FAM71E1[edit] Draft:FAM71E1 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) Duplicate of FAM71E1. No need for this draft, which does not have the references of the accepted article. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:18, 21 February 2018 (UTC) Delete not needed Legacypac (talk) 03:33, 21 February 2018 (UTC) Draft:Thomas Polk Park[edit] Draft:Thomas Polk Park (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) Tagged Promising draft. Delete G13 or move to mainspace? Legacypac (talk) 03:17, 21 February 2018 (UTC) Draft:Republic of Florida (group)[edit] Draft:Republic of Florida (group) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) The article was created in the wake of the Parklands shooting due to the media reports on the purported affiliation of the suspect with the group. Please see Talk:Douglas_High_School_shooting#Claims_by_Republic_of_Florida. This was shown to be a hoax / publicity seeking, and the media quickly retracted their statements on the matter. The group itself is not otherwise notable and reported comprises 5 people. For a recap, please see "How white nationalists fooled the media about Florida shooter", Politico. I had previously moved the article into draft, after discussing with the article creator. The article has been recently moved into main space by another editor. However, this seems the case of WP:TOOSOON / borderline WP:HOAX. I moved the article into draft again and am starting this MfD for community input. K.e.coffman (talk) 02:10, 21 February 2018 (UTC) Delete and thanks for the excellent explanation. Legacypac (talk) 02:54, 21 February 2018 (UTC) Delete . K.e.coffman is wise. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:48, 21 February 2018 (UTC) User:R.prasanna2892/Prasanna Venkatesh's Crazy equation[edit] User:R.prasanna2892/Prasanna Venkatesh's Crazy equation (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) Invented by the user and of no value to the project. Legacypac (talk) 00:06, 21 February 2018 (UTC) February 20, 2018[edit] Draft:Social media and dark traits, depression, and suicide[edit] Draft:Social media and dark traits, depression, and suicide (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) "Promising draft" up for G13 deletion. Has sources and is quite lengthy. Legacypac (talk) 16:11, 20 February 2018 (UTC) Delete I just noticed that it is the same as what was deleted here Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Social media and dark traits, depression, and suicide Calliopejen1 (talk) 00:40, 21 February 2018 (UTC) User:Sweetsuresh777/sandbox[edit] User:Sweetsuresh777/sandbox (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) This autobiography of a non-notable person is being resubmitted with minor changes, but will never be an encyclopedic article. Robert McClenon (talk) 11:54, 20 February 2018 (UTC) Delete. CV. No indication of notability. I think it is CSD#G11 eligible. Probably U5 too, although I’m not sure what to make of his DraftSpace article on a politician. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 12:48, 20 February 2018 (UTC) User:NapasornCho/sandbox[edit] User:NapasornCho/sandbox (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) Duplicate of Draft:Kalae. What do we want to do with these two drafts? The topic is probably worthy of coverage, but this draft is far from ready for article space, and the original author hasn't edited in well over a year. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:31, 20 February 2018 (UTC) Delete the sandbox. I'll fix the Draft. All the info is there it just needs cleanup. Legacypac (talk) 04:06, 20 February 2018 (UTC) Support Legacypac’s plan. Redirect the sandbox to the draft would have been a good “do nothing” solution, but if Legacypac fixes and checks to avoid losing information, the deletion of the lesser fork is better. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 12:52, 20 February 2018 (UTC) User:Hammon27/Coats of arms of U.S. Infantry Regiments[edit] User:Hammon27/Coats of arms of U.S. Infantry Regiments (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) (Time stamp for bot to properly relist.) ♠PMC♠ (talk) 04:23, 20 February 2018 (UTC) This article was deleted via AfD but moved to userspace. Now various editors are maintaining it because it has so many images. Either we need the article in mainspace or we should actually delete it and cut down on the maintenance. Userspace is not for the indefinite hosting of deleted pages with no effort to address the reasons for deletion. Legacypac (talk) 01:49, 13 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Large enough that I would prefer to relist at least once to see if anyone has any thoughts. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ♠PMC♠ (talk) 04:23, 20 February 2018 (UTC) Blank. Not bad enough for this to need deletion, blanking will solve the noted problem. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 12:54, 20 February 2018 (UTC) February 19, 2018[edit] User:Dave Harton[edit] User:Dave Harton (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) WP:UP#COPIES, WP:HOARD, WP:NOTWEBHOST, WP:FAKEARTICLE. Recreation of article content that was deleted per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of The Chase (UK game show) episodes. See also: Talk:The Chase (UK game show)/Archive 1#Chaser records Talk:The Chase (UK game show)/Archive 1#Episode results. Talk:The Chase (UK game show)/Archive 1#A place for the missing details AldezD Content was speedily deleted 1 January 2018 (see Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Dave Harton), then recreated by user 14 February 2018. AldezD (talk) 22:40, 19 February 2018 (UTC) Delete, per the result of the last nomination. ALH (talk) 08:16, 21 February 2018 (UTC) User:Back files[edit] User:Back files (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) User:Wikilists (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) Redundant to the draft namespace. Any subpages should either be deleted as stale or moved into draftspace. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 20:13, 19 February 2018 (UTC) Delete all. This is a misuse of userspace. We don't need a shadow encyclopedia of topics not suitable for mainspace. Legacypac (talk) 20:29, 19 February 2018 (UTC) Note: Currently, the only subpages are: User:Back files/Jews in the history of business, created by Wikidemon and last touched in 2008, which underwent AfD in 2008 before being draftified; User:Wikilists/Actors and actresses considered the greatest ever, created by the indefinitely blocked AKR619 (talk · contribs) and last touched in 2009; and User:Wikilists/List of songs with numbers in the title, which has been edited recently by Buf7579 but was created by HappyDog. Also pinging Sam who seems the progenitor of this workaround. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 20:35, 19 February 2018 (UTC) Delete An interesting work around from back in the day before the draft namespace existed, and if nobody wanted to claim ownership within their own userspace. At any rate, times have changed, and had the first two been placed in draftspace, they'd be G13 eligible. The numbers list is not an encyclopedic list. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 20:50, 19 February 2018 (UTC) I had already notified Sam on his talk page, so pinging him wasn't technically necessary. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 22:51, 19 February 2018 (UTC) No opinion — as creator of a subpage that was probably a copy of a now-deleted article, I have no objection. The subpage is mildly interesting, but the community has decided it is not appropriate content for the encyclopedia so the subpage's existence does not support keeping the parent page. - Wikidemon (talk) 00:05, 21 February 2018 (UTC) Keep I had forgotten about these pages in the years since I created this. A little background. Back in the early days of Wikipedia things were much more flexible as we figured things out and guidelines were being developed. There were many interesting and popular pages that were unsourced, but full of interesting crowd sourced information that didn't quite fit anywhere. An example is User:Wikilists/List of songs with numbers in the title. While this is unsourced, it seemed that the information in it was obvious, not really requiring a source because the guidelines said that only information "likely to be challenged" needed sourcing. The only way to challenge an entry to such a list was to show that no such song actually existed, and doing so was not controversial. People enjoyed contributing to these pages and I believe, back then, they helped get people involved in editing Wikipedia. Then there was a big move to delete all such lists, a move that was very successful. It seemed to me at the time that there could be a way to accommodate crowd-sourced lists, and I hoped that a new namespace or even a new project (Wikilists) could be created to accommodate them. In the meantime, I created these user pages and rescued a few pages from oblivion. The idea did not get traction, so I abandoned it. I still think there is value to crowd-sourced lists that don't fit into the conservative encyclopedic model. Rather than delete all of these page, could they just be moved to my user space? I'll do the work moving them... -- SamuelWantman 22:36, 19 February 2018 (UTC) I could see an argument that User:Wikilists/Actors and actresses considered the greatest ever could have some merit if improved a la List of films considered the worst, and thus could be userified, but I really think User:Back files/Jews in the history of business in particular has to go, for all the reasons in the AfD. Even assuming the best intentions, it's trouble. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 01:55, 21 February 2018 (UTC) Draft:Ushti Baba[edit] Draft:Ushti Baba (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) Twice declined at AfC by different users as a non-notable band. Twice nominated G13 as abandoned by different users but twice the tags have been removed. This page has had since 2015 to demonstrate notability but the topic does not pass WP:NMUSIC and it's time to delete the page. Legacypac (talk) 18:43, 19 February 2018 (UTC) Delete No indication of notability Calliopejen1 (talk) 00:41, 21 February 2018 (UTC) Draft:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/Secondary focus[edit] Draft:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/Secondary focus (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) Split off over a year ago. Seems like a fork to me. Is this still needed? Legacypac (talk) 17:08, 19 February 2018 (UTC) Draft:Ringed topos[edit] Draft:Ringed topos (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) Math draft up for G13. No work done in over three years. Effort to Redirect it 6 months back was. reversed as "vandalism". If abandoned or no longer required, it should be deleted. If of some use for merge, it should be redirected again until an editor is actively working on it. Legacypac (talk) 06:36, 19 February 2018 (UTC) Keep: This is a notable topic. It is a subtopic of topos but just as we have ringed space in addition to topological space, the topic seems to deserve a standalone-article treatment. -- Taku (talk) 07:18, 19 February 2018 (UTC) Keep The section about sheaves of E n {\displaystyle E_{n}} -rings is awkwardly incomplete, but if it were either cut completely or filled out more, we'd have a respectable stub here. XOR'easter (talk) 17:30, 19 February 2018 (UTC) If the other editors want to comment out that section (which is not essential), move the draft to the mainspace and then add that section back when it becomes more complete, I can be on board with that. -- Taku (talk) 23:02, 19 February 2018 (UTC) February 18, 2018[edit] Draft:Walter Noetico[edit] Draft:Walter Noetico (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) Page has been declined multiple times but it has extensive inline and additional referencing. The artist has been covered extensively in publications for the movements he created. I think the page needs more review before we delete. User:DGG expressed interest in this too so pinging. Legacypac (talk) 17:15, 18 February 2018 (UTC) Keep , cleanup, and move to mainspace. I consider him probably though not unquestionably notable. The current version is my partial cleanup. I Intended to continue, but I have about 500 AfCs on my list to follow up. I think I should have moved it to mainspace instead, because articles are very much more likely to be improved there than at AfC. This is an example of one key problem with our AfC process: too few people willing to seriously help an AfC get improved. DGG ( talk ) 20:44, 18 February 2018 (UTC) Withdraw I support a move to mainspace where the page will be exposed to a lot more editors. Legacypac (talk) 01:21, 19 February 2018 (UTC) Draft:David Parsons[edit] Draft:David Parsons (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) Duplicate of Draft:David R. Parsons and another sandbox version, all created by a connected contributor. Draft:David R. Parsons is the 'least badly formatted' of them, so let it stay and get rid of the other two. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:38, 18 February 2018 (UTC) Delete duplicate. I redirected the sandbox to the best version so it is effectively gone. Legacypac (talk) 02:49, 18 February 2018 (UTC) User:Jonathan Parsonswhoa/sandbox/David Parsons[edit] User:Jonathan Parsonswhoa/sandbox/David Parsons (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) Duplicate of Draft:David Parsons and of Draft:David R. Parsons. All three drafts are created by a connected contributor. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:32, 18 February 2018 (UTC) Draft:David R. Parsons is the least badly formatted of these drafts. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:37, 18 February 2018 (UTC) I redircted the sandbox at the better Draft version. This can be closed by someone with the right script. Legacypac (talk) 02:52, 18 February 2018 (UTC) February 17, 2018[edit] Draft:Blake Mawson[edit] Draft:Blake Mawson (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) This autobiography isn't going to pass notability and be neutral as long as the author is the person who is submitting it. If a volunteer editor thinks that the subject is notable, then we can keep this draft to let them work on it. Otherwise, we don't need it. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:39, 17 February 2018 (UTC) Delete not needed. Legacypac (talk) 02:53, 18 February 2018 (UTC) User:David B Miguel[edit] User:David B Miguel (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) Also covers User:41.218.213.226/sandbox. Under the name of David B Miguel this includes photo and parts of text from David B. Samadi, which may be a BLP violation even though in userspace : Noyster (talk), 11:06, 17 February 2018 (UTC) Delete Both as a problem. Legacypac (talk) 02:54, 18 February 2018 (UTC) Draft:Areeh.net[edit] Draft:Areeh.net (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) apparent self-description by a student, with no potential for an article. We unfortunately have no speedy criterion, but WP cannot be used as Facebook or a personal web sute, DGG ( talk ) 10:45, 17 February 2018 (UTC) Delete U5 or A7 but in draft-space. Yet another "top achiever" in school, who cannot figure out what kind of content encyclopedias have. jni (delete)...just not interested 11:38, 17 February 2018 (UTC) Draft:List of maritime science fiction works[edit] Draft:List of maritime science fiction works (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) It has been found that this is not a genre in multiple discussions. There is a huge hill for this page to ever be accepted into mainspace. See the talkpage please. Legacypac (talk) 09:37, 17 February 2018 (UTC) Keep It's a small subgenre, but no less valid for that. Andy Dingley (talk) 09:51, 17 February 2018 (UTC) Keep, a good page and subgenre waiting for recognition, the concept is spot-on and I'm surprised that, as a draft nonetheless, it would even be considered for deletion. The External links and other data on the page indicate that it is already a genre or sub-genre, so there doesn't seems a problem there, and I really can't figure out why editors would want to keep the page out of visible space. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:04, 17 February 2018 (UTC) I refer everyone to the talkpage and these links to relevent discussions Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Maritime_science_fiction, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of maritime science fiction media, Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2017_May_24#Draft:Maritime_science_fiction, Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2016_August_1#Category:Maritime_science_fiction. The core problem is this is a setting, and not effort. a category of works discussed in RS. Given all the input previously and that this draft has become stale it's time to end this Legacypac (talk) 17:05, 17 February 2018 (UTC) The only discussion and decision that you list above which concerns the draft page resulted in keeping the draft page. So by "it's time to end this" may I suggest that agreement has already been made to keep the draft if it is being worked on. I am one of the minor editors who have added a few work titles, and I should flesh them out a bit with descriptors, and I personally see the value of the page (probably under a different title, 'Underwater science fiction' seems more accurate as a descriptor, and the External links focus on it as a name). There have been sources added, I believe, since the major discussions you list above. I'd expect this incomplete draft, which does need working on, will at some point graduate to visible space. Until then, maybe editors can assist in adding to or otherwise editing the draft. Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 20:16, 17 February 2018 (UTC) Draft:Main theorem of elimination theory[edit] Draft:Main theorem of elimination theory (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) Up for G13. No work on this since Aug 2014 except to reverse an attempt to redirect it. Redirects help interested users find the draft from the related page "what links here" and remove the incompete effort from reader view, being mirrored etc. Legacypac (talk) 09:05, 17 February 2018 (UTC) Keep: This is an important theorem in mathematics. In Wikipedia, we prefer to have a standalone article for each important theorem (whence the draft article). I cannot find any exception in this case. — Taku (talk) 09:08, 17 February 2018 (UTC) @TakuyaMurata: I see it's your draft, if you are planning to continue working on it, sourcing it and moving it to mainspace, I don't have any objections. But articles usually don't use language like "We need to show that" - the current state of the draft looks more like personal notes - are you planning to create an article out of this? Seraphim System (talk) 09:12, 17 February 2018 (UTC) Yes, I intend to work on it (if not today); I also have a good track record of completing the drafts (as the majority of the drafts started by me are now in the mainspace). About royal we: many math articles in the mainspace use “we”, especially in the proofs; the employment of this writing style *does not mean* the draft is a personal note. If asked, I’m more than willing to add contexts and references (I started with the proof, since that’s the gist of the article). — Taku (talk) 09:20, 17 February 2018 (UTC) @Seraphim System: : Although there is such a thing as overuse of figures of speech involving the word "we", it must be recognized that standard figures of speech are not to be taken literally. Look at this manual page: The author's we found in scientific writing: We are thus led also to a definition of "time" in physics (Albert Einstein); Throughout this proof we assume that the function ƒ is uniformly continuous. Often rephrasing using the passive voice is preferable:[q] Throughout this proof it is assumed that the function ƒ is uniformly continuous. I used to find math articles labeled as looking like a "personal reflection or essay" and I was baffled by that tag since I couldn't find anything in the article that looked that way to me. It turned out someone was going around applying that tag to every article that used the word "we" without regard to whether it was meant literally. Its use in such sentences as "Throughout this proof we assume that the function ƒ is uniformly continuous." is standard throughout the English-speaking world and usually learned in secondary school. Michael Hardy (talk) 19:33, 18 February 2018 (UTC) Keep Since the editor is still active and states that he intends to turn it into an article, I don't see any problem with keeping it. For future reference, making a few edits to it every six months is enough to save it from G13 I think, it's mostly for articles that have been abandoned by inactive accounts.Seraphim System (talk) 09:27, 17 February 2018 (UTC) Keep I'm not seeing the problem here. Paul August ☎ 20:31, 20 February 2018 (UTC) Draft:Cyclic algebra[edit] Draft:Cyclic algebra (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) Math page of notes up for G13 again. No substantive work done since 2014. Delete or restore the redirect until someone is willing to work on this. Legacypac (talk) 08:44, 17 February 2018 (UTC) Delete per Legacypac - it hasn't been worked on since 2014, so unless someone states an intention to resume work on this in the future, I think it is fair to delete at this point.Seraphim System (talk) 08:57, 17 February 2018 (UTC) Keep: Well, this is a notable topic. Also, as far as I can tell, the topic is not covered in the mainspace. What is needed to find a good reference (there is a ref that I don’t like) — Taku (talk) 09:02, 17 February 2018 (UTC) Even a poor reference would be better than no reference in this case, I think (and adding it to the draft would make the draft less stale). XOR'easter (talk) 17:18, 18 February 2018 (UTC) That’s true; so I have added one. The coverage in the ref is only cursory so we need some more substantial ref (Maybe Weil’s basic number theory has a good discussion; I will check.) — Taku (talk) 21:07, 18 February 2018 (UTC) Hmm, we have a section on "cyclic algebra" in Factor system. Should that be expanded before splitting off a new article? XOR'easter (talk) 22:18, 18 February 2018 (UTC) Ok. Yes the definition appears there but I don't think the article is the best place for the discussions of say structure results of cyclic algebra on its own right; (see also [2] for additional possible references and contexts). The present draft, as quite drafty as it is, doesn't already fits neatly into factor system. -- Taku (talk) 23:00, 18 February 2018 (UTC) Besides the factor system article itself looks a bit problematic; it focuses too much on auxiliary topics like crossed product algebra, which also deserves its own article. I myself missed the factor article since it is not a natural place to find the discussion of a cyclic algebra (notice, in the stackexchange thread, factor system never comes up); this is the issue ultimately need to be fixed by having an article on cyclic algebra. -- Taku (talk) 23:09, 18 February 2018 (UTC) Scratch what I said about the ref: I found a good ref (one mentioned in the stackexchange thread). -- Taku (talk) 00:57, 19 February 2018 (UTC) Keep The "example" section is obviously incomplete, so it's not ready for main space yet, but it doesn't look far from being a decent stub. XOR'easter (talk) 04:01, 19 February 2018 (UTC) Move to main space — I cut out the "example" section, and what remains is a respectable stub. XOR'easter (talk) 19:12, 20 February 2018 (UTC) If this had been created in the main space, in its current state, it would be a perfectly acceptable stub. It has two sources. So we should just move it to the main space now and let others work on it when they want. — Carl (CBM · talk) 12:08, 19 February 2018 (UTC) Move to main space as is. Paul August ☎ 00:39, 20 February 2018 (UTC) Draft:Hearts Pirates[edit] Draft:Hearts Pirates (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) It's a recruiting page for a game. Doug Weller talk 07:34, 17 February 2018 (UTC) Delete. Good ol' "attempt to communicate with someone" CSD criteria comes to mind, but this is in draft-space so lets delete it here in MFD. jni (delete)...just not interested 11:43, 17 February 2018 (UTC) Delete. Probably qualifies for speedy under G11. VQuakr (talk) 23:57, 20 February 2018 (UTC) Draft:Shrila Patitpavan Goswami Thakur[edit] Draft:Shrila Patitpavan Goswami Thakur (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) (Time stamp for bot to properly relist.) ♠PMC♠ (talk) 17:49, 17 February 2018 (UTC) Page deleted at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shrila Patitpavan Goswami Thakur but moved to Draft. It's been improved but not submitted to AfC. Now it is up for G13. The creator has abandoned it. Given the history... I'm uncomfortable G13ing it. Should it be returned to mainspace or reimpliment the AfD delete decision? Legacypac (talk) 09:24, 9 February 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Because it was a mainspace page first, looking for more input. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ♠PMC♠ (talk) 17:49, 17 February 2018 (UTC) Delete - In the AFD, this was draftified to allow sourcing. It has not been sourced. The person may be notable, but there is no indication that this article will be completed. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:49, 18 February 2018 (UTC) Comment - Has anyone done a copyvio check? This is written in a style that is characteristic of Hindu hagiography and is likely to be copied from an official biography. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:51, 18 February 2018 (UTC) February 16, 2018[edit] Draft:Guadalix Democratic Republic[edit] Draft:Guadalix Democratic Republic (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) Unsourced and no sources available. The chances of this becoming a legitimate article approach zero. Since the review template was removed, it's apparent that it's not going to be submitted. Delete per WP:NOTFREEWEBHOST/WP:MADEUP. Kleuske (talk) 21:11, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Delete per it is made up by the page creator. Legacypac (talk) 22:34, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Delete, clearly self-promotional and not a viable candidate for the Main namespace. --Kinu t/c 22:42, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Comment: this could probably deleted via WP:CSD#G11, since it's apparently self-promotional based on the name of the account that created it. I won't tag it as such since I have already !voted, and am fine with the discussion taking its course. --Kinu t/c 03:52, 18 February 2018 (UTC) Wikipedia:Route diagram template/Catalog of pictograms/elevated[edit] Wikipedia:Route diagram template/Catalog of pictograms/elevated (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) Orphaned; appears to be abandoned. The BSicon catalogue is now on Commons, and this largely duplicates sections of those pages. Jc86035 (talk) 12:03, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Move to Commons, along with Wikipedia:Route diagram template/Catalog of pictograms/embankment. This should have been done along with all the other catalog pages. With reference to the "duplication" issue, it is often helpful to have all the icons in these broad sub-categories available in one place. Useddenim (talk) 11:28, 17 February 2018 (UTC) @Useddenim: I agree this would be useful in the short term, with the individual sections of the current catalogues being split up in the long term (replacing these two as well as the others). Jc86035 (talk) 16:26, 17 February 2018 (UTC) Wikipedia:Route diagram template/Catalog of pictograms/embankment[edit] Wikipedia:Route diagram template/Catalog of pictograms/embankment (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) Orphaned; appears to be abandoned. The BSicon catalogue is now on Commons, and this largely duplicates sections of those pages. Jc86035 (talk) 12:02, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Draft:Bredon cohomology[edit] Draft:Bredon cohomology (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) Up for G13 again. Redirect reversed 6 months ago. No progress on draft since August 2014. Legacypac (talk) 08:24, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Merge to equivariant cohomology (and split off the section when it becomes large). —- Taku (talk) 08:31, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Move to mainspace as this is a notable topic – see the Encyclopedia of Mathematics, for example. A trout for the nominator as creating an MfD page adds to the time-wasting clutter, rather than reducing it. Andrew D. (talk) 09:46, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Trout not accepted User:Andrew Davidson MfD is the appropriate place to deal with this user's pages. Legacypac (talk) 17:19, 18 February 2018 (UTC) Keep - draft on a clearly notable non-duplicated topic (per Andrew D.) which is also clearly not ready for mainspace as it's only one incomplete sentence fragment. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 11:53, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Redirect as was done before. It saves the history but keeps the point that we don't allow the draft space to be used as a personal collection of math notes. TonyBallioni (talk) 15:38, 16 February 2018 (UTC) How does blanking the article with a redirect contribute to constructing the draft, though? The redirect just has to be overwritten in order to continue working on it. Seems pointlessly obstructive to me. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:10, 16 February 2018 (UTC) A redirect links the page to the related topic via "what links here" which helps interested users find it for possible expansion or merger. Secondly, redirects are not subject to G13 so they don't come up on maintenance lists every six months. Third the redirect preserves whatever value there is in the work without presenting an incomplete or unreferenced page to readers that may be mirrored to other sites. Legacypac (talk) 16:37, 16 February 2018 (UTC) I think it's reasonable to say the draft isn't going to be constructed at this point. Taku himself suggested a merge. I always prefer a merge from a redirect at XfDs, because it eliminates something that is policy-violating (i.e. the draft space is not a webhost for notes on math), while allowing the merger of any content that needs to be merged. TonyBallioni (talk) 18:00, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Well okay, I see what you're saying. Taku seems willing to help complete this to a mainspace-acceptable point, or if not we could probably kludge our way through merging it ourselves. There's not a lot of calculus in accounting but I'm less unfamiliar than most. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 18:07, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Draft:Ring with the approximation property[edit] Draft:Ring with the approximation property (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) Up for G13 again today. Redirect reversed 6 months ago. No progress on draft since August 2014. Legacypac (talk) 08:22, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Move to the mainspace: this is already perfectly a fine stub in the mainspace. If the notability of the topic is in question (which I highly doubt), then it can be nominated for an AfD. — Taku (talk) 08:48, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Promote unless there's some more general article this could be appropriately merged into. Given that the author who I presume is a subject matter expert has not suggested one, I doubt there is. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 13:59, 16 February 2018 (UTC) I must mention that the notion is closely related to Artin's approximation theorem; I don't think the merger works since the theorem is only about a formal power series ring. (But I can be persuaded if someone editor can make a good argument.) — Taku (talk) 20:03, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Merge, Redirect, and Protect Merge what reasonable content into the parent article Noetherian ring, redirect the Draft page to parent, and protect it. Though to be perfectly honest there's no real content to add. I specifically vote against moving to mainspace, because this would not pass WP:V as there's not one cited fact that would allow this to survive. Promoting to mainspace only to have it be Speedied, PRODed, or AFDed is a perfect example of process for process sake. Hasteur (talk) 23:01, 18 February 2018 (UTC) I'm confident that it can survive an AfD (given my experience of writing many similar articles in the mainspace). Do you have a specific reason for the claim that the topic is not notable (so that it will likely fail to pass an AfD if nominated)? -- Taku (talk) 23:21, 18 February 2018 (UTC) I urgently advise you to strike above as it could be a violation of your topic ban. As to your "objection" please observe I didn't say notable. AFD is not just testing Notability. What I said (and you elected to overlook) is that because there's not one cited fact in this draft (just as there was no cited facts 6 months ago when I tried to redirect to a parent topic and you decided to object on burecratic reasons, again) there is little viability for it in mainspace. The New Page patrolers would have a field day with this if it were in main space as there's no way to know if it's made up word salad because there's no cited facts. NPPers could forcibly redirect the page elsewhere, they could propose uncontraversial deletion, they could also nominate the article for deletion on a very similar line of arguments that we're having right now. This belongs either as a scholarly work published outside of wikipedia or as a sub-topic of an already existing article. In short your stub isn't viable in mainspace so you should let the redirect happen and then you can splice over whatever content could work to a mainspace parent topic. Hasteur (talk) 03:15, 19 February 2018 (UTC) Simply ignoring off-topic stuff (e.g., topic ban), do you have any good piece of evidence supporting the claim that the draft will be deleted by an AfD if nominated? This draft does not look substantially different from other similar looking articles like Popescu’s theorem (which support my argument that it has a good chance of surviving an AfD). See also XOR'easter's commebt below. -- Taku (talk) 03:45, 19 February 2018 (UTC) Wow... Fillful ignorance there's not one cited fact in this draft. Your claim regarding Popescu's therom is a "Other stuff exists" argument, and in fact I would even argue that the Popescu article would be best served by merging and redirecting to Artin approximation theorem until such time that the theorem can stand on it's own. Thank you Taku for raising the example that so we can continue improving main space by cleaning up clearly deficient pages. Hasteur (talk) 15:45, 19 February 2018 (UTC) I ignored “not one cited fact” because this is off-topic; here we are discussing the topic’s viability as a standalone article; whether it duplicates the existing topic or it can pass the notability requirement. Also, since the question is the viability, it is perfectly reasonable and should be encouraged to look at the other stuff (since that would help ascertain whether it can pass an AfD or not.) —- Taku (talk) 19:51, 19 February 2018 (UTC) Keep. It looks close to ready for main space. Sources exist; I haven't yet tried to find the best ones. XOR'easter (talk) 23:59, 18 February 2018 (UTC) OK, I've started trying to improve the state of the referencing (which, procedurally, means G13 is no longer applicable). XOR'easter (talk) 20:54, 19 February 2018 (UTC) Draft:Discrepancy (algebraic geometry)[edit] Draft:Discrepancy (algebraic geometry) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) Up for G13 again. No work done since January 2015. Redirect reversed 6 months ago. Legacypac (talk) 08:20, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Keep: This seems to be a notable topic, at least to me. (I am adding more ref in min.) — Taku (talk) 08:29, 16 February 2018 (UTC) I note that canonical singularity already has some discussion of a special case of discrepancy (the notion of discrepancy is used to define canonical singularity. But that article itself is not the best place for the discussion of discrepancy per se.) — Taku (talk) 20:17, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Keep pending promotion - appears to be a notable topic worth a standalone article, even though it's likely to remain a stub. It is however not quite ready to promote, it has at least one "TO DO" section visible in the body. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 14:01, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Draft:IDubbbzTV[edit] Draft:IDubbbzTV (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) Title deleted 5 times from mainspace for lack of notability and declined 3 times so far at AfC. Legacypac (talk) 07:52, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Userfy. I want to keep editing and there are a couple of sources I have not used yet. The article was deleted before some sources were added to this draft. Thanks for nominating at MfD. Ꞷumbolo 08:59, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Sending to MfD is a good way to get further input beyond AfC declines. Legacypac (talk) 09:20, 16 February 2018 (UTC) I do not believe that this draft should be deleted as it is for an entity who is highly relevant. We just haven't been able to get many outside sources as most mainstream media outlets avoid discussion on this person due to his controversial nature. But he is very relevant in the YouTube community and deserves his own Wikipedia article. DatGuyonYouTube (talk) 16:32, 20 February 2018 (UTC) Wikipedia does not rely on user generated content - like Youtube - to establish notability. Until he gets that mainstream attention, no page here. Legacypac (talk) 16:39, 20 February 2018 (UTC) He has gotten attention from a few sources outside of YouTube, but it's very rare and most paint him in a negative light which won't fly here as Wikipedia articles are to be a unbiased and neutral as possible. Also, CinemaSins has a wikipedia article despite the fact that he has gotten very little mainstream attention.DatGuyonYouTube (talk) 16:56, 20 February 2018 (UTC) Bad press, cited, is fine. I'll look into the linked page but WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS Legacypac (talk) 16:59, 20 February 2018 (UTC) fair enough DatGuyonYouTube (talk) 17:06, 20 February 2018 (UTC) User:Mattbuck/Wikipedia - FUCK YEAH![edit] User:Mattbuck/Wikipedia - FUCK YEAH! (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) I stumbled on this useless page while searching for problematic pages. Maybe some kind of joke, but it does nothing to improve the encyclopedia. Legacypac (talk) 07:33, 16 February 2018 (UTC) maybe worth saving as a humourous essay? Seraphim System (talk) 07:41, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Keep doesn't seem to violate any aspect of WP:UPNOT. It is quite rude to troll user subpages and nominate them for deletion without a good reason; if you had concerns starting by talking to them on their talk page would have been preferable. VQuakr (talk) 07:54, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Nomination also does not address what has changed since the previous WP:SNOW keep. VQuakr (talk) 07:55, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Keep. Stupid, but delightful. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 16:46, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Keep. Mostly harmless.--WaltCip (talk) 14:14, 19 February 2018 (UTC) Keep. Within leeway for a productive Wikipedian. Is project related. I’m guessing it is intended to be sung to the music of https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7R5A0pg4oN8, from Team America: World Police? A note to that effect could be added. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 23:51, 20 February 2018 (UTC) Draft:Adria Rae[edit] Draft:Adria Rae (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) This is a massive BLP violation. Also not notable. Legacypac (talk) 07:30, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Delete Per nom. Don't think it meets WP:PORNBIO and that "early life" section definitely doesn't seem terribly biographical so to speak. ALH (talk) 08:15, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Draft:Cat Pausé[edit] Draft:Cat Pausé (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) Page has several issues, as detailed in the reviewer notes. The area of study is fairly unique and the name suggests some creative parents. Is this a hopeless cause or should this page be promoted ? Legacypac (talk) 07:23, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Draft:Bobby2pistols[edit] Draft:Bobby2pistols (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) Unsourced likely vandalism. Legacypac (talk) 06:41, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Delete not vandalism, but not a useful start at an article either. VQuakr (talk) 07:41, 16 February 2018 (UTC) User:007paritosh/sandbox[edit] User:007paritosh/sandbox (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) Declined at AfC 5 times so far. Nominating here per the strikes proposal for a definitive decision. Legacypac (talk) 01:53, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Delete Vermont | reply here 14:35, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Note: There is no "three strike rule" accepted by the community. There isn't even really a proposal. No formal RfC on this matter. The RfC that just closed, Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)/Archive 144#Three Strikes Rule for AfC submissions and reviews, did not really support this. Doing this as a "tester" case instead of actually seeing if the community accepts this is putting the horse before the cart. Not saying that the draft doesn't deserve deletion but please do not use a rationale that isn't supported by the community. --Majora (talk) 23:28, 16 February 2018 (UTC) The discussion closed with the suggestion that we try this manually. There was a lot of support. I feel strongly that drafts with a lot of declines deserve wider discussion for promotion or deletion. Legacypac (talk) 23:32, 16 February 2018 (UTC) I'm pretty sure that was just slakr's suggestion. Not an actual part of the consensus reading. Although clarification would be nice. The line that makes me think this is It might help to propose without the automatic/bot aspect. Slakr is saying that you should propose something else. Formally. Not use this rationale to start opening deletion discussion since the rationale doesn't yet have community acceptance. Again, I'm not saying that the draft should stay. In fact, I'm going to put myself formally down as a delete. Just please don't use this rationale until it actually has community acceptance. If I'm wrong with how I'm reading Slakr's close I apologize. --Majora (talk) 23:36, 16 February 2018 (UTC) slakr note — yeah; my close is more a suggestion for further discussion, not a prescription (the question was, after all, more about a bot listing these at MFD). That said, MfD is for whatever you reasonably think needs deleting that doesn't fall into the other xfds, and without it being codified, multiple declines—especially from more than one person—means multiple people already agree the content is likely deletion-worthy (else they'd just move it to mainspace for their "keep" vote), so opening an MfD can be one last check to make sure that those declining didn't simply make a mistake. --slakr\ talk / 03:17, 17 February 2018 (UTC) Weak Keep – Yes, this is a bad draft and doesn't appear to be making progress towards becoming acceptable. If it had been moved to draftspace, I'd probably be in favor of deletion. But it's a user sandbox and does not appear to particularly violate our policies about what may appear in a user sandbox. The multiple submissions and declines indicate a problem with the contributor, which deleting the draft would do little to address. — jmcgnh(talk) (contribs) 05:31, 17 February 2018 (UTC) Draft:4imprint plc[edit] Draft:4imprint plc (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) Declined at AfC 7 times. Nominating per the strikes proposal. The company is WP:LISTED and has substantial sales and history. Legacypac (talk) 01:51, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Draft:ITF Junior Masters[edit] Draft:ITF Junior Masters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) New tournament which has not yet attained any notability. This explains why it is hopelessly dependent on primary sources, thus failing our requirement for substantive third-party coverage. Orange Mike | Talk 00:57, 16 February 2018 (UTC) A MfD nomination that only cites notability concerns defaults to Keep per WP:NMFD. The draft is only 3 days old; no need to rush a draft to deletion. VQuakr (talk) 01:15, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Delete too soon for this business to have a page. It's really just promotional at this point because the sources are all promotional. Legacypac (talk) 06:16, 16 February 2018 (UTC) February 14, 2018[edit] Draft:National Venture Capital Association[edit] Draft:National Venture Capital Association (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) hopelessly promotional, not edited substantially since June 2017 DGG ( talk ) 23:51, 14 February 2018 (UTC) Delete per nom. jni (delete)...just not interested 17:58, 15 February 2018 (UTC) Delete or G11, advert. VQuakr (talk) 01:17, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Draft:Tom Jose[edit] Draft:Tom Jose (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) Draft:Tom Jose IAS (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) Non-notable individual. Draft declined six times. Tendentious editing. Editor has failed to heed previous advice, and has removed prior AfC declines. Two copies of draft submitted in parallel. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 21:01, 14 February 2018 (UTC) Delete. Not notable. jni (delete)...just not interested 17:58, 15 February 2018 (UTC) Delete Tendentious submission of a no hope draft by an WP:IDHT editor. --Worldbruce (talk) 00:09, 20 February 2018 (UTC) Delete to stop the disruptive spamming of AfC ie [3]. Suggest escalating warnings/blocking the user if the draft is re-created. VQuakr (talk) 23:51, 20 February 2018 (UTC) Draft:Bryce Morgan[edit] Draft:Bryce Morgan (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) Not notable PabloMartinez (talk) 15:37, 14 February 2018 (UTC) Delete. We need a "hopeless" template for such drafts. High school baseball player, obviously not wikipedia notable. Legacypac (talk) 15:55, 14 February 2018 (UTC) Delete Agree with LegacyPac on need for D1:Hopelessly Not Notable. COI as well perhaps? Author is Blmorgan. L3X1 ◊distænt write◊ 18:06, 14 February 2018 (UTC) Delete - for crap's sake let us apply the A-series CSD to the draft space already, a draft like this shouldn't need 7 days to discuss and it's a BLP issue in the meantime. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 20:33, 14 February 2018 (UTC) Delete- hopeless case. We really need a speedy criterion for stuff like this, something like a combination of A7 and U5. Reyk YO! 08:39, 15 February 2018 (UTC) Delete MFD should not have to handle obvious cases like this one. jni (delete)...just not interested 18:01, 15 February 2018 (UTC) Well there are a few editors that think anything goes in draft space that shoot down every proposal for a CSD to cover obviously failures of WP:N topics. So here we are. Legacypac (talk) 18:59, 15 February 2018 (UTC) Delete Not even close to being notable, a High School Baseball player? Really? --Church Talk 23:01, 15 February 2018 (UTC) Delete WP:NOTSOCIAL. VQuakr (talk) 23:45, 20 February 2018 (UTC) February 13, 2018[edit] Draft:Distributional calculus[edit] Draft:Distributional calculus (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) Page is up for G13 as stale. An editor indicated it was a "promising draft" and to use MfD. Instead of immediately seeking deletion I submitted the page to AfC for evaluation (I'm not qualified to tell if it is wonderful or nonsense) but that was removed by the creator. Can we get a decision on this Draft here? Legacypac (talk) 20:25, 13 February 2018 (UTC) Keep: I think this is an important topic not well-covered in the mainspace (whence the draft.) Although there is distribution (mathematics), there are more things that can be said that don’t fit into that mainspace article (e.g., examples; a lot more examples can be added to the draft.) Also, I removed the template because it is for an AfC draft. –– Taku (talk) 20:31, 13 February 2018 (UTC) Delete, no reason to duplicate Distribution (mathematics) here. Unlike the present draft, that page defines what it is talking about. —Kusma (t·c) 21:16, 13 February 2018 (UTC) I admit the draft needs more work but for example, an example in the draft doesn’t appear in the mainspace article and we don’t want to populate the mainspace article with too many of those examples. Just as we have calculus besides limit (mathematics) and many others, the draft has a different scope than the "distribution" article; this make the draft not a fork even though there are some overlaps, which I think are allowed. — Taku (talk) 21:53, 13 February 2018 (UTC) Keep author says they still want it. I could be convinced to change my !vote if someone pointed out a consensus somewhere regarding this class of drafts by this specific author. VQuakr (talk) 01:15, 14 February 2018 (UTC) Off-topic. Stick to discussing the draft. There is a significant history of disruption around this specific user and his drafts. He is now topic banned from discussing deletion policy anywhere in site. Legacypac (talk) 17:31, 14 February 2018 (UTC) I record that this is part of the continuing stalking/harassment attack on me by Legacypac, despite the repeated warning. I hope it is clear that which party is trying to have an ordinary MfD discussion as opposed to disruption. — Taku (talk) 17:42, 14 February 2018 (UTC) Defer to WikiProject Mathematics - this subject is beyond my pay grade, but at a glance it appears that the distribution (mathematics) article is already quite large and seems to cover a wide range of subtopics; it could use to be split into more manageable articles on appropriate groups of these subtopics. It's well beyond my year-and-a-half of engineering school to suggest what those subgroupings ought to be, but distributional calculus seems like a start. Keep, in the meantime. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 21:35, 14 February 2018 (UTC) Delete. While Taku has asserted that there is a difference between the topic here and the distribution (mathematics) article, that difference appears to be non-existent. Where the draft defines what it is about, it says "Distributional calculus can give a rigorous meaning to the formal equations such as: δ ( ξ ) = ∫ e 2 π i ⟨ x , ξ ⟩ d x . {\displaystyle \delta (\xi )=\int e^{2\pi i\langle x,\xi \rangle }\,dx.} " So the subject of the article is identical with the existing (far better) article distribution (mathematics). The selection of topics in the draft is also suggestive that there is no difference between this draft and the existing article. I don't think we should keep drafts around indefinitely, if the article that they are intended to replace is already light-years ahead of the draft in terms of development. That is simply likely to create more fractious content and needless merge discussions down the road. Useful content can be added to the existing article in the normal way. Sławomir Biały (talk) 12:42, 15 February 2018 (UTC) For clarification, the draft was not meant as a replacement; in my view, distribution (mathematics) is trying to do too much and having complementary articles would address that. (For example, there is the notion of a distribution in algebraic geometry as well) But having said that, I do agree the scope of the draft is probably problemic: that the difference is unclear and so the deletion may not be a bad idea. — Taku (talk) 19:17, 15 February 2018 (UTC) There seems to be not enough in this draft to distinguish it from the main topic of distribution (mathematics), and so this seems to be aimed at a needless fork of content. There could be a separate article on distributional calculus, but I don't know what that subject would be. Usually we make forks like this if the main article gets too long, and then we might decide what the topic of the fork should be. A draft with an ill-defined topic is just a recipe for a bad article/fork. Sławomir Biały (talk) 11:07, 19 February 2018 (UTC) Comment Observing that again we have the same arguments regarding Mathematics drafts created by a particular user. "Effort" was put in some time back to create content that is quite dense and requiring a degree in mathematics to be able to judge if it's even worth keeping. The author of the draft has been engaged on multiple occasions to see if they could finish their work on the many drafts for which no forward progress was made. Multiple overtures to WikiProject Mathematics have been made to see if the project can evaluate or improve the drafts to the point that the draft could be promoted to mainspace. The author, having been made well aware of how to spin off sections of a large article on multiple occasions, has elected instead to not resolve these issues but defend the right to keep these drafts until "some day" when they come back to work on them. Fundamentally this needs to either be kept in the author's own userspace and worked on at their pace or deleted and regular editing in mainspace done to correct the problem. I am not voting on this MFD because it has been observed that I may not be rational with respect to the author of this draft. Hasteur (talk) 02:13, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Delete As it stands, it's not clear from the text how this should be distinguished from distribution (mathematics). In this particular instance, I think adding to the main article and eventually splitting off if necessary is the better way to go. XOR'easter (talk) 19:40, 20 February 2018 (UTC) Draft:Richard Snelgrove[edit] Draft:Richard Snelgrove (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) Up for G13. Promo for a local politician. MfD requested Legacypac (talk) 18:44, 13 February 2018 (UTC) Mainspace after some cleanup, which I will attempt now. Notability is very borderline, but it looks like some of the other SLC councilors have articles about them (he is the chair) and his reelection has resulted in some coverage over several years. I think that meets WP:BASIC and WP:NPOL, if barely. VQuakr (talk) 23:34, 20 February 2018 (UTC) Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Vbmakiling/Winthrop Effect The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page. The result of the discussion was: delete . ♠PMC♠ (talk) 05:39, 21 February 2018 (UTC) User:Vbmakiling/Winthrop Effect[edit] User:Vbmakiling/Winthrop Effect (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) This appears to be invented by the user. The only ref was a copy of this page. It's also abandoned. Legacypac (talk) 17:04, 13 February 2018 (UTC) Delete - No references. No likelihood of article. Probably invented. Nearly incomprehensible. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:51, 20 February 2018 (UTC) Delete per nom. VQuakr (talk) 23:27, 20 February 2018 (UTC) The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.


Old business[edit] Everything from here on down is old business; the 7-day review period that began 17:19, 14 February 2018 (UTC) ended today on 21 February 2018. Open discussions below this marker should be either closed or relisted above. Editors may continue to add comments until the discussion is closed but they should keep in mind that the discussion below this marker may be closed at any time without further notice. Discussions that have already been closed will be removed from the page automatically by Legobot and need no further action. February 13, 2018[edit] Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Giuseppe Cassar The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page. The result of the discussion was: delete . ♠PMC♠ (talk) 05:39, 21 February 2018 (UTC) Draft:Giuseppe Cassar[edit] Draft:Giuseppe Cassar (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) Up for G13 but tagged promising draft. No sources. Legacypac (talk) 05:30, 13 February 2018 (UTC) Delete G13, combined with being an improbable topic to make it in mainspace. VQuakr (talk) 23:22, 20 February 2018 (UTC) Neutral I'm skeptical of notability after further research, but sources may exist offline or in Maltese. One obit is here. Calliopejen1 (talk) 00:46, 21 February 2018 (UTC) I'm not seeing a credable claim of significance. Legacypac (talk) 01:46, 21 February 2018 (UTC) The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Move This World The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page. The result of the discussion was: delete . ♠PMC♠ (talk) 05:38, 21 February 2018 (UTC) Draft:Move This World[edit] Draft:Move This World (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) Tagged a promising draft. Up for G13. Declined as SPAM at AfC Legacypac (talk) 04:25, 13 February 2018 (UTC) Speedy Delete per G11, G12, and G13. Not promising. VQuakr (talk) 23:25, 20 February 2018 (UTC) The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page. February 10, 2018[edit] User:Valoem/List of auteurs[edit] User:Valoem/List of auteurs (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) This page is the oldest page tagged as a userspace draft. It remains as a copy of a deleted article Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_auteurs and the arguments for deletion there still apply. Userspace is not an indefinate hosting space for deleted pages. User is active and notified of this discussion. Legacypac (talk) 11:21, 10 February 2018 (UTC) Given that Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Valoem/List of auteurs closed as keep, and there seems to be no new argument for deletion, we should keep. But lets encourage Valoem to put some more work into making this acceptable, ie make it non-subjective. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 12:54, 10 February 2018 (UTC) That MfD was a year ago now. We give Drafts 6 months usually. I don't think the page can be made non-subjective, or at least no one has managed to do it in 13 years. Legacypac (talk) 12:59, 10 February 2018 (UTC) User has asked me to withdraw - I've requested they make their case here (creates a centralized location for next trip to MfD for the page) and said I'll consider it. Legacypac (talk) 17:55, 10 February 2018 (UTC) Delete - stale as fuck, barely touched since being imported to userspace in 2014. Now redundant to List of film auteurs anyway so there's pretty much zero reason to keep it around. (disclosure: I took it to MfD last time, which actually closed as no consensus, not a straight-up keep). ♠PMC♠ (talk) 04:35, 11 February 2018 (UTC) Can someone point me to where it says we delete pages in userspace after 6 months? My impression is that only applies to draftspace and userspace pages that have gone through AfC. Otherwise obviously keep. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 05:32, 11 February 2018 (UTC) I could have been more clear. My comment was comparing how we deal with all Drafts and AfC submissions (ie WP:G13 after 6 months unimproved) in contrast to how this page is the single oldest (tagged) page in user space Category:Monthly_clean-up_category_(Userspace_drafts)_counter There is no specific deadline in userspace but at some point this is a WP:NOTAWEBHOST issue and runs against the idea we don't keep a shadow encyclopdia of pages deleted through deletion processes. So ya... keep for how long exactly? Legacypac (talk) 06:00, 11 February 2018 (UTC) The relevant guideline is on WP:User pages under WP:FAKEARTICLE: "Userspace is not a free web host and should not be used to indefinitely host pages that look like articles, old revisions, or deleted content". Also, at the end of the third paragraph: "Pages that preserve material previously deleted, without an active attempt to address the reasons for deletion, if left live, may be deleted by tagging with {{db-g4}}. Less blatant cases are routinely deleted at WP:MfD." In this case, as the userfied content has been completely unimproved since 2014, there is clearly no active attempt to address the reasons for deletion and it should be deleted. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 06:05, 11 February 2018 (UTC) Update: Given Valoem has been active since this nomination and has not shown an interest in keeping it, I'm not interested to do so either. And given that this was a copy of a deleted article which was userfied but not really improved, it's not the sort of userspace draft I care to argue for on principle alone. Keep struck; abstaining. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 17:41, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Delete as per WP:STALE and WP:FAKEARTICLE; WP:CFORK is relevant too since List of film auteurs exists. -Apocheir (talk) 16:08, 15 February 2018 (UTC)


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