Contents 1 Democratic Socialism 2 Moonlight article bias against Orville Lloyd Douglas review 2.1 Moonlight should have Orville Lloyd Douglas review on critical response 3 Repeated vandalism on BLP page that I manage for client 4 Flagging inadequate citations from good sources 5 Revamped Actinophyrid page, could use a look from another editor 6 demagogue 7 Need help editing my client's wikipedia page 8 Adam Leitman Bailey 9 William Wyler 10 Why does WiKi appear to have a blanket ban on so called "Predatory Journals" ? 11 Nichiren 12 wikitable troubleshooting 13 Film base 14 Embedded lists of works - sourcing standards


Democratic Socialism[edit] I just looked up Democratic Socialism and I think your article is inaccurate. I was looking for information and what you have is WAY different than what I expected, in a right-wing conservative kind of a way. I don't know what it should say exactly, I was looking to read up on it, but what I see is grossly wrong. You have lost my confidence after more than a decade of use and support. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.122.6.110 (talk) 15:52, 21 December 2017 (UTC) How is inaccurate? Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 17:34, 6 January 2018 (UTC)


Moonlight article bias against Orville Lloyd Douglas review[edit] Since March 22nd 2017 Orville Lloyd Douglas negative review of the gay film Moonlight was available on the wikipedia page. Douglas review is IMPORTANT BECAUSE HE IS A BLACK GAY MAN. In Douglas' review he points out the bias and racism of white Hollywood. The article Kentucky Fried Chicken In The Moonlight SHOULD be on the wikipedia page. The positive movie reviews of Moonlight MOSTLY WRITTEN BY WHITE FILM CRITICS. Yet nobody bother asking BLACK PEOPLE what they think about Moonlight. His review of Moonlight SHOULD be available and it is a BIAS it is NOT THERE. Yet this week people have removed the article. PLEASE return the review. Link to article: http://filmint.nu/?p=20474 @Andrewmorrisseyx: (For reference, the page in question is Moonlight (2016 film)). This is a content issue, and needs to be discussed on the article talk page to reach a consensus if editors disagree. If you disagree with the removal, go start a discussion there. Please remember to comment only on content, not the suspected motives of other editors. Repeated use of all caps is considered shouting, and will also cause you to have less chance of being taken seriously. Just calmly state why you believe the material should be included in the article, and if other editors disagree, be prepared to address their concerns. Seraphimblade Talk to me 23:15, 24 December 2017 (UTC) Moonlight should have Orville Lloyd Douglas review on critical response[edit] Moonlight (2016 film) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) Since March 22nd 2017 Orville Lloyd Douglas negative review of the gay film Moonlight was available on the wikipedia page. I already wrote a comment on the talk page for the film BUT NOBODY responded! Douglas review is IMPORTANT BECAUSE HE IS A BLACK GAY MAN. In Douglas' review he points out the bias and racism of white Hollywood. The article Kentucky Fried Chicken In The Moonlight SHOULD be on the wikipedia page. The positive movie reviews of Moonlight MOSTLY WRITTEN BY WHITE FILM CRITICS. Yet nobody bother asking BLACK PEOPLE what they think about Moonlight. His review of Moonlight SHOULD be available and it is a BIAS it is NOT THERE. Yet this week people have removed the article. PLEASE return the review. Link to article: http://filmint.nu/?p=20474 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrewmorrisseyx (talk • contribs) 22:01, 3 January 2018 (UTC) You need to discuss the inclusion of the review at Talk:Moonlight (2016 film). I see you have started a thread there, which is a start. The review was originally removed, it seems, because of substantial overcoverage in violation of WP:UNDUE—that is, the single negative review did not merit a full paragraph of coverage where the rest of the reception coverage occupied the same amount of space. Wikipedia gives space based on relative prominence and impact of the source, and does not generally promote or suppress views on the basis of the race of the view's proponents. I am sure there is a way to incorporate the negative review in a satisfactory way, but it won't happen through just repeatedly cramming the source in the article. When a dispute like this arises, editors are expected to discuss it. See WP:BRD. —/Mendaliv/2¢/Δ's/ 22:29, 3 January 2018 (UTC) Note that I have combined this new thread with the original, which I noticed after replying. —/Mendaliv/2¢/Δ's/ 22:33, 3 January 2018 (UTC)


Repeated vandalism on BLP page that I manage for client[edit] What can be done about repeated instances of vandalism coming from the same ISP address? The page is a BLP page about a client of mine. He asked me to make some revisions to it, to make it more current and reflect his most recent business ventures. I did so. However, he contacted me today that someone had vandalized the page. I fixed it, but I noticed that there have been other instances of vandalism coming from the same ISP, aimed at both my client, and the wiki page for the company he started. (Which he no longer has anything to do with.) The anonymous user has been warned several times. As editing Wikipedia isn't something I usually do, I don't know how to issue a warning or escalate this further. Any information would be appreciated. Matthew Proman (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) Thank you, and much apologies if I missed something and should know how to do this. Maghilleditorial (talk) 00:47, 31 December 2017 (UTC) Final warning issued to the IP. If it happens again a report can be submitted to WP:AIV for a block. If BLP violations start coming from multiple sources we can look into some level of page protection. Also, FYI, Maghilleditorial, if individuals are paying you to edit Wikipedia, you must comply with WP:PAID. You are also not permitted to use "role" accounts; accounts are for individuals, and individuals within your organization may have accounts, but you can't have a central account for your agency on Wikipedia. —/Mendaliv/2¢/Δ's/ 01:16, 31 December 2017 (UTC) OP has been indeffed for promotional editing and a role account username. —/Mendaliv/2¢/Δ's/ 06:06, 31 December 2017 (UTC)


Flagging inadequate citations from good sources[edit] According to the documentation, {{Refimprove}} and the related templates apply when more citations are needed or else the citations fail because the source is primary or unreliable. How does one flag a claim that does have a citation from a reliable non-primary source but one which does not adequately support the claim? Peter Brown (talk) 17:35, 1 January 2018 (UTC) Would it make sense to rewrite the text to match the source? JohnInDC (talk) 18:03, 1 January 2018 (UTC) If it's not possible to fix the issue immediately, I'd use Template:Failed verification (see "When to use" for more details). It doesn't question the source's general reliability, but only its erroneous usage in a specific case. GermanJoe (talk) 18:49, 1 January 2018 (UTC) I think you want either {{additional citation needed}} or {{better source}}. The former would be used where you want to retain the current source for some reason, like that the current source is noteworthy for some reason. The latter would be where the current source has some problem with reliability or specificity and should just be replaced entirely by a source that fully supports the claim. Realistically, though, I don't think it matters terribly whether you use either or {{failed verification}}, particularly if you use the "reason" parameter where it's available. —/Mendaliv/2¢/Δ's/ 19:02, 1 January 2018 (UTC) Thanks all! I used {{failed verification}}, which produced [not in citation given], describing the problem perfectly. Peter Brown (talk) 15:23, 2 January 2018 (UTC)


Revamped Actinophyrid page, could use a look from another editor[edit] Hi all, I've been working on the Actinophryid page for a while now and it could use another pair of eyes to check for any mistakes that I've made while rewriting it, as well as any advice about structure and edits to make in the future. There's a section in the talk page where I've summarized my edits. Also, I wasn't sure where to post this kind of a request so let me know if this isn't the place to ask for that. Daemyth (talk) 10:39, 2 January 2018 (UTC)


demagogue[edit] Demagogue I question whether a demagogue can ONLY occur in a democracy? I was surprised by the seeming, redundantly stated, requirement that it be in a democracy. Merriam-Webster does not mention democracy as being necessary to the definition https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/demagogue. The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 4th Edition doesn't mention democracy either https://www.wordnik.com/words/demagogue. I am afraid to post this on the demagogue article's talk page, for fear I might commit some grave sin (even here, to some extent), but hope you can clarify the issue. Waterflaws (talk) 20:59, 2 January 2018 (UTC) @Waterflaws: I think you might get a better response at one of the reference desks. Though really, if you're asking in order to seek changes to the article, you'd be better served by asking at the talk page, though perhaps with a slightly different argument. You're not likely to get far by arguing that because a variety of dictionaries don't mention "democracy" in the definition of "demagogue", we ought to follow suit. Since Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, we can do things like provide in-depth coverage, whereas a dictionary just provides the bare definition of a word. For instance, you might ask whether, in light of evidence that the word in common usage doesn't seem to necessitate a democracy, or at least what's commonly understood to be a democracy—i.e., western democratic republics as opposed to oligarchies. Since, at least in theory, some form of democratic republic appears to be a requirement in international law today, there are few governments where demagogues couldn't arise. Anyway, I think if you want to get change to the article, the central issue would be whether there's a disconnect between what the article says and what the common understanding of the word is (and how to address such a disconnect if it's present). And remember, I'm not talking about the technical, expert meaning of the term that political science professors might use, but the common meaning in the English language that everyday people use, since the latter represent a larger number of readers. That's not to say an argument should call for the elimination of the specialized definition in the article, but that if there's a disconnect between the article content and the general understanding of the term, a discussion of the technical understanding of what a demagogue is should be couched, or at least introduced, in terms of the general understanding of the term. Hope that helps. —/Mendaliv/2¢/Δ's/ 03:29, 3 January 2018 (UTC) To suggest that a demagogue can only arise in a democracy is to make a positive assertion, which requires sources. I don't see any such sources and I also note that several of the examples are from the Roman Republic, which was not a democracy. I'd suggest you make a bold edit and remove all examples of this assertion from the article, with a note on the talk page. I hope this helps. Richard Keatinge (talk) 14:48, 3 January 2018 (UTC)


Need help editing my client's wikipedia page[edit] I don't know where to begin...but I'd like to start with the logo. How can I update the logo to the new rebrand? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brianleexyz (talk • contribs) 01:04, 4 January 2018 (UTC) Note: Given COI editing notice. —/Mendaliv/2¢/Δ's/ 01:08, 4 January 2018 (UTC)


Adam Leitman Bailey[edit] Talk:Adam_Leitman_Bailey#Lawsuit,_again — Preceding unsigned comment added by Law Connoisseur (talk • contribs) 18:42, 4 January 2018 (UTC) (The editor above appears to be seeking comment on the linked discussion. I've cleaned up this entry a bit so that others can make sense of it.) JohnInDC (talk) 19:12, 4 January 2018 (UTC)


William Wyler[edit] My name is David William Wyler, I am the son of William Wyler. My three sisters and I have been trying for several years to change the wrong information on our father's page (he was a well known film director) about his birth name. William Wyler's birth name was Willy Wyler. The automatic bots of Wikipedia say that his birth name was Wilhelm Weiller - THAT IS WRONG!! Whenever I change his page and this information, Wikipedia bots automatically change it back. Please help. David Wyler — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davidwyler (talk • contribs) 18:58, 4 January 2018 (UTC) Hello David. There's a few things you should be made aware of regarding Wikipedia policy: Editors are advised not to directly edit articles when they have a conflict of interest regarding the subject. Instead, request changes on the article's talk page or use the {{request edit}} template on the page. The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. Do you have a reliable source for your father's birth name? Using yourself as a source would be considered either a primary source (not preferred for this kind of content), or original research (totally forbidden). The quickest way for you to resolve this problem is to provide a reliable source on the article's talk page and let another editor introduce the change. Let me know if you have any further questions about this. --Chris (talk) 19:04, 4 January 2018 (UTC) The birth name we have at present is not supported by any citation or source, so I've now removed all mention of any birth name as we can't support any assertion as to what it was, and left a note as to why. David, if you have a published source about his birth name, you can tell me about it on my talk page and I will add it to the article. And you can discuss the article on its talk page. - Nunh-huh 19:30, 4 January 2018 (UTC) @Nunh-huh: Hmm, there are several sources that may or may not be independent, but a relevant source that I assume has some level of independence, is the Dictionary of Pseudonyms (2010) which also mentions Wilhelm Weiller as birth name. I guess it is not uncommon to have a name like 'Wilhelm' as your official name, even though everyone calls you 'Willy', especially as a child. This is probably why the authorized biography uses Willy. Seems at least enough confusion around the name to mention it as disputed alternative name? effeietsanders 01:40, 5 January 2018 (UTC) @Effeietsanders: You may want to have this discussion on the article's talk page instead of here. --Chris (talk) 02:47, 5 January 2018 (UTC) Copied. effeietsanders 03:23, 5 January 2018 (UTC)


Why does WiKi appear to have a blanket ban on so called "Predatory Journals" ?[edit] At least one of the editors is deleting references to journals that were on the Beall list and a warning is given to certain DOI's. One journal Engineering, part of the scrip group: https://www.scirp.org/AboutUs/Index.aspx#ContactUs would appear to be a competent publisher. I have viewed two papers on the journal, and although not the best I have read, do look competent. I have asked the advice of the University of Nottingham (a member of the Russell group of Universities in the UK and in the top 1% of world Universities) library on this matter and received the following reply: "Predatory publishing is a tricky area: unfortunately it’s impossible to objectively define a predatory journal, as depending on what an author wants to get out of publishing, different venues meet different needs. The most famous predatory journal list is Beall’s list. Interestingly its originator no longer hosts the site, although archived versions exist. Having checked, you can find mention of SCIRP as a publisher on these archives e.g. https://beallslist.weebly.com/: it’s worth reading the list alongside the criteria on which it is based https://beallslist.weebly.com/uploads/3/0/9/5/30958339/criteria-2015.pdf. I can understand why you are concerned, although I would emphasise that the quality of a paper is never defined by the quality of the journal in which it sits... " The Engineering journal does appear to comply with COPE standards; there is a defined board of editors, a valid address, a well documented review process and an escalation route for issues. The only issue I can see, is that the address is outside the USA as are many of the editorial panel. In my view, this is a form of censorship and therefore does not comply with WiKi standards. May I suggest that this matter be reviewed at a senior level within the WiKi organisation and better guidelines given on how to handle such references. Rileyph (talk) 15:08, 5 January 2018 (UTC) COI: Other than having a paper published in Engineering I have no other contact with the Journal. Two points: First, the more pressing issue with your editing is that you were adding citations to your own published work in Wikipedia articles, which is at least strongly discouraged, if not prohibited entirely. Thus, even if you could convince the Wikipedia community to accept articles published in predatory open access journals, you would still be prohibited from adding citations to Wikipedia articles to your own publications. This would be the case even if you had publications in non-predatory journals. Second, this isn't exactly the right place to start a discussion on whether certain predatory open access journals should be prohibited. WP:RSN might be a better place, but I don't think it will make much difference. My understanding of how the Wikipedia reliable source policy works, however, indicates that the journals published by Scientific Research Publishing are unlikely to be accepted on Wikipedia given the significant controversies concerning its editorial process. —/Mendaliv/2¢/Δ's/ 18:15, 5 January 2018 (UTC) To address the original question directly, Wikipedia does not have a blanket ban predatory journals. However, according to Wikipedia's policy on using reliable sources (see Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources for details), the acceptable use of such journals will be very limited. If you have questions regarding a specific instance of the use of a journal article, you can start a discussion at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard to get an opinion from other editors. -- Ed (Edgar181) 18:27, 5 January 2018 (UTC)


Nichiren[edit] Nichiren (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) Hello, I am a reader and not an editor. During my research of [Nichiren] I noticed that the article(s) / discussions have altered reference information (bibliographical references), posthumous titles have been deleted numerous times aswell. Excerpts and titles of books have been altered. All of this concerns me. I wish to bring this to your attention and ask for rectification or investigation into the editor's practices which may go against Wikipedia standards. [ https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nichiren&diff=next&oldid=787382862 ]. Thank you.--88.130.194.201 (talk) 17:28, 6 January 2018 (UTC)


wikitable troubleshooting[edit] I am having a problem with zwsp on a couple of wikitables. I was able to get a table perfectly formatted using a PC, however when I view the table on an iPad, the formatting is incorrect, and even when I switch to desktop version, it is still incorrect. I would really appreciate some assistance. This issue seems to impact only iOS and Microsoft Edge & Explorer, not Android, Windows or macOS (Chrome, Firefox). Petepait (talk) 06:33, 7 January 2018 (UTC) Is this the page you're talking about? – by AdA&D at 17:01, 10 January 2018 (UTC) Here: sandbox I have Row 2, Row 15 and Row 21 split (when viewing on a PC), however on an iOS device, Row 2 and Row 21 aren't showing as split (only Row 15 shows as split).


Film base[edit] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film_base (Is there a TALK PAGE for this article? Where do I find it?) From the article: "Light aimed through the side of a roll of film will shine through if it is polyester, but will not if it is acetate." This may be incorrect. I'm not familiar with film stock, but in the case of magnetic audio tape, the exact opposite is true -- polyester is opaque and acetate is transparent. (Jerry4dos) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jerry4dos (talk • contribs) 18:46, 9 January 2018 (UTC) Near the top of each article is a tab with the name "Talk", when selected will open the related talk page Talk:Film base. MilborneOne (talk) 17:46, 10 January 2018 (UTC)


Embedded lists of works - sourcing standards[edit] Petra Mattheis (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) Looking for advice on the appropriateness of including items in embedded lists of works based on primary sources only. The specific case is Petra_Mattheis, but I am also interested in what it is generally appropriate to include in an embedded list of this kind (e.g. author's books, academic's papers, company's products, etc.) I have read Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Embedded_lists, but it didn't help. Rentier (talk) 19:12, 15 January 2018 (UTC) Retrieved from "https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Editor_assistance/Requests&oldid=820635191" Categories: Wikipedia help forumsHidden categories: Non-talk pages that are automatically signed


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