Contents 1 Special:AbuseFilter/864 set to disallow 2 Pruning filter 58 3 AbuseFilter software 4 Request for EFH bit for Achim55 5 Enabling warnings or tags for Filter 869? 6 Possible false positives on 872

Special:AbuseFilter/864 set to disallow[edit] Lots of good hits recently, low risk of false positives - TNT❤ 22:57, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Pruning filter 58[edit] See Special:Permalink/821983789#Krystal Structure, which is another reminder that some of our shared filters have grown out of proportion over the years. I think this one in particular could use a pruning. There only have been a handful of changes to it in the past two years, which makes me think a lot of it probably isn't relevant today. Pinging the primary author NawlinWiki (who seems to be only semi-active). If anyone else sees anything they are familiar with, perhaps you will know whether or not it is still needed, and update the filter accordingly. I almost want to suggest us starting over entirely, or just remove the more generalized regex strings that are more prone to false positives. We should also give thought to whether we should continue with the practice of massive shared filters. In my opinion sharing is fine, so long as the regex strings are broadly related, or at least authored by the same person. If we all pile our regex into the same filter, it's difficult to monitor and maintain, and can grow into cruft. I don't have numbers but it is my suspicion that multiple efficiently written filters would only be trivially slower than one combined filter. It might even be faster (see the comment on line 5 of filter 58). I can try to run some tests. Thanks for your help! — MusikAnimal talk 19:53, 23 January 2018 (UTC) Special:AbuseFilter/58. I tend to think this is quite a useful shared filter, but agree with the prune. I figure I can hack out probably half of it, for others to add back anything they disagree with, or anything which returns as a meme. I'll look at doing this over the next few days.. -- zzuuzz (talk) 20:20, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

AbuseFilter software[edit] Please see mw:Code stewardship reviews/Feedback solicitation/AbuseFilter for an important discussion regarding the future of the AbuseFilter extension. — xaosflux Talk 18:08, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Request for EFH bit for Achim55[edit] This EFH nomination ends has started. (refresh) Achim55 (t · c · del · cross-wiki · SUL · xtools · supercount · pages created (xtools • sigma) · non-automated edits · BLP edits · logs (block • rights • moves) · arb · spi) (assign permissions)(acc · ap · fm · mms · npr · pm · pcr · rb · te) c:User:Achim55 on Commons Hello, being an admin on Commons I'm heavily involved in fighting spam, I've done more than 2,700 spam-related blocks of users or IPs there. Most cases are clear as we mainly have to deal with spam that is generated by botnet-controlled zombies. But sometimes there are borderline cases of manual edits where it is not easy to recognise whether one can assume bad faith or not, and thus to act in an appropriate manner - revert, cleanup, delete, warn, block or even not? I think then it might be helpful looking up the logs from here to see if they perhaps already have had a try on this wp. I'm not interested in the filters themselves but just in looking up the spam-related filter logs now and then. If this request is declined I'm fine with that, but then I'd like to ask at the least for the bit that grants access to en:wp's SBL log. Regards, --Achim (talk) 14:34, 3 February 2018 (UTC) @Achim55: only EFH and +sysop have access to SBLlog here. — xaosflux Talk 15:17, 3 February 2018 (UTC) I thought the spamblacklistlog right could be given separately. --Achim (talk) 15:21, 3 February 2018 (UTC) Not without creating an entire new group. On commons the only way to currently get it is via +sysop as well. — xaosflux Talk 16:44, 3 February 2018 (UTC)  Note: When gerrit:405670 is deployed (probably this week) all logged in users will be able to view the SBL log. — JJMC89 (T·C) 18:51, 3 February 2018 (UTC) Interesting @JJMC89: since phab:T64781 says that it didn't yet have a consensus. — xaosflux Talk 19:06, 3 February 2018 (UTC) @Xaosflux: It looks like Legoktm changed his mind per phab:T184483#3916209. — JJMC89 (T·C) 19:16, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

Enabling warnings or tags for Filter 869?[edit] Back in September, there was a discussion about this filter (the WP:DAILYMAIL filter) still being tested. Now, four months later, I wonder if we could make the filter do more than just log, so it's actually useful. PinkAmpersand proposed a warning template and I propose we use this template whenever someone adds a link to (not the other two since there was no consensus for it) and tag links to all three sites so people can easily see those edits in their watchlist. Opinions? Pinging @Ritchie333, Zzuuzz, and Xaosflux who participated in the last discussion. Regards SoWhy 10:21, 11 January 2018 (UTC) I'm all for it (see User:Ritchie333/Userbox Daily Mail, writing Enemies of the People, and recent comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cassie Sainsbury); however obviously I have very strong views on this, so I don't think my opinion should count for anything towards consensus. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:03, 11 January 2018 (UTC) The consensus for the edit filter already exists in the linked to discussion, including the consensus for a warning when people try to add such sources ("An edit filter should be put in place going forward to warn editors attempting to use the Daily Mail as a reference.") Mine was more of a technical question, do you think the filter is tested enough to go live? Regards SoWhy 11:09, 11 January 2018 (UTC) I've spot checked about 20 entries in the log, and they are all adding tabloid journalism to BLPs (most have been reverted) so I would say it's working as designed. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:44, 11 January 2018 (UTC) Thanks for the ping, SoWhy. I've moved my proposed template to its own userspace page, User:PinkAmpersand/Daily Mail template, so others can improve upon it. (I've also made some tweaks to the original text, including boldfacing the most important sentence.) And, needless to say, count me as a !vote to set the filter to warn. — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 15:40, 11 January 2018 (UTC) Proposed template (edit) You appear to be adding a link to the Daily Mail. Pursuant to a January 2017 Request for Comment, references to the Daily Mail are "generally prohibited, especially when other more reliable sources exist." Please cite a more reliable source instead. If the only source you can find for a statement is the Daily Mail, then you should not make the assertion in question. Note: There may be occasional exceptions to this ban (such as when the Daily Mail itself is the topic being discussed), and you should use common sense in this regard. If you do believe that your edit is an exception, then you may submit it by selecting "publish changes" again. @PinkAmpersand: The filter also traps The Sun and the Daily Star. Are there any US papers that should be avoided? Breitbart? The National Enquirer? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:46, 11 January 2018 (UTC) Careful though, there is no consensus to warn against any links that are not Daily Mail, so while it makes sense to tag such edits, a warning should only be displayed for the Daily Mail additions (until there is consensus against the other sources). Regards SoWhy 16:49, 11 January 2018 (UTC) I don't think that's possible without rewriting the filter - it traps those three and (AFAIK) it's only technically possible to take one action against a match. I would, however, be utterly astonished if anyone who supported warning against the Mail in BLPs opposed it for The Sun and The Star. Indeed, my impression from reading the BLP and RS noticeboards is there is much more of a solid consensus to avoid The Sun like the plague for BLPs. Tom Morris put it better than I ever could here ;-) Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 17:04, 11 January 2018 (UTC) Hmm... As I said, I don't disagree with you but considering the backlash of the DAILYMAIL RFC we should avoid warning people from linking to newspapers without a strong consensus to do so. If it's not possible to differentiate, I suggest we switch the filter to tag for now and you or someone else interested can start a new RFC for other questionable sources. Regards SoWhy 17:34, 11 January 2018 (UTC) It seems to me the simplest solution is to fork the filter: one filter on tag-only for The Sun and the Star, another on tag-and-warn for the Mail. If consensus emerges to ban the other two, then the filters can be re-merged (or they can become three separate ones to allow for distinct warnings). — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 18:05, 11 January 2018 (UTC) Sounds good to me, if someone could do that (I won't touch that stuff with a ten-foot-pole). Objections anyone? Regards SoWhy 07:48, 12 January 2018 (UTC) Concurring with opinions presented. --QEDK (桜 ❄ 伴) 08:09, 12 January 2018 (UTC) (←) 869 now only covers Daily Mail, and 899 covers The Sun and Dailystar. We're still working on the warning for 869, I take it? What should the tag be? Maybe "Adding tabloids to BLPs"? It should be brief — MusikAnimal talk 17:57, 14 January 2018 (UTC) @MusikAnimal: I would suggest just Daily Mail link added. And if you have ideas for the warning template, feel free to be bold. QEDK's already made a few improvements. — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 18:16, 14 January 2018 (UTC) In anticipation of us doing the same for other tabliods, I think we should use a shared tag. This will make it easier for patrollers, as presumably we don't care which tabloid it is, right? — MusikAnimal talk 18:23, 14 January 2018 (UTC) I think it does matter. There's a consensus that the Daily Mail should (almost) never be linked. There isn't such a consensus for the other two tabloids. A Daily Mail addition is, IMHO, more demanding of immediate review, because that signals someone not just making a dubious claim, but someone who's just been notified of a consensus and has chosen to ignore it (rightly or wrongly). IMHO, that edit is more demanding of immediate review than is an edit linking to either of the other two tabloids. What about making two tags: one that would cover both 869 and 899, and another that would just cover 899? Also, someone should probably post a new RfC to RSN about the Star and Sun, to see if we can switch those over to tag-and-warn as well. — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 20:29, 14 January 2018 (UTC) Sure, let's see what others have to say. Just remember tags associated with an edit are permanent, and any changes to the wording require a new tag, so it's important to get it right from the start — MusikAnimal talk 02:51, 15 January 2018 (UTC) Agree with Pink&, one filter is essentially a byproduct of community consensus while the other is a conclusion drawn from the consensus itself. I don't think the warning split is as much of a problem although MA is correct about the tags ofc. --QEDK (桜 ❄ 伴) 18:05, 15 January 2018 (UTC) Rescuing this from the archives, so we can make our minds up once and for all on whether to enable this filter. I'm going to cross-post to WP:RSN to see if the folks there have anything to say. — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 13:59, 10 February 2018 (UTC) I , and a few others, maintain a dubious view of such a "filter". Collect (talk) 14:45, 10 February 2018 (UTC) Unnecessary. These are like vanity templates. They serve no purpose. No filter or book ban is needed. We need to end the mentality of the Great Purge. A big banner with a blinking Wrongthink or Thoughtcrime is a bit juvenile. --DHeyward (talk) 05:47, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Possible false positives on 872[edit] @Cyp and Crow: See Special:Diff/825296358, reported by Jayron32 — MusikAnimal talk 16:25, 12 February 2018 (UTC) Thanks for reporting this here. I'm not sure what the percentage of false positives is; maybe this filter is keeping back tides of shit I don't know about. But in terms of number of false positives, the last 3-4 reports I have dealt with at AIV have been false positives; given that I deal with AIV maybe 15-30 minutes per day, and I've dealt with 3-4 false positives in the past week or so, that extrapolates to a high number of false positives; I'm wondering if this can be tweaked in some way as to be more carefully targetted against the person it is trying to stop. It seems (IIRC from the last time that I dealt with this) that this is targetted to stop a spammer from self-promoting; it seems one of the keywords that flags this filter is itself a common enough personal name that it shows up innocently on many of these items. Just wondering if there was a way to make this more useful. --Jayron32 17:14, 12 February 2018 (UTC) I'd guess it isn't a false positive in this case, but I don't know enough about the target to say for sure. Κσυπ Cyp   17:47, 12 February 2018 (UTC) ​​Vivekka is now blocked, and has even confirmed being a sock. Κσυπ Cyp   20:55, 13 February 2018 (UTC) That's fine, but it only highlights one of the problems with reporting filters like this to AIV. There's hundreds of admins that patrol that page, and like 3 are familiar enough with this one troll to deal with him. There are a lot of highly specific filters that, even if they are positive, it's hard to know what to do with. Is there any way to set filters to report to specific places (like the filter creators talk page) instead of AIV so they can more quickly and effectively dealt with? --Jayron32 02:03, 14 February 2018 (UTC) Regarding the filter, I've been tweaking it as the innocent use of a name trips a FP. That shouldn't happen anymore. Yes this latest one is the sock's MO now that he's been stifled through other avenues. All the Feb hits on the filter have been him. I agree that perhaps this one shouldn't report to AIV as it is not obvious vandalism lately but sneaky innocuous-looking edits. CrowCaw 14:59, 14 February 2018 (UTC) Retrieved from "" Categories: Wikipedia edit filterWikipedia noticeboardsHidden categories: Non-talk pages that are automatically signed

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