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Errors in the summary of today's or tomorrow's featured article[edit] TFA today[edit] "basset hound"-> "Basset Hound". The Rambling Man (talk) 08:57, 17 March 2018 (UTC) Done. Black Kite (talk) 10:26, 17 March 2018 (UTC) TFA tomorrow[edit]

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Errors in today's or tomorrow's On this day[edit] OTD today[edit] OTD tomorrow[edit] Passion Sunday - one section unreferenced, and other unreferenced claims. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:06, 17 March 2018 (UTC) "and Kraków provinces in the Battle of Chmielnik and plundered the abandoned city of Kraków." - strange that Kraków "province" is linked to Kraków while the city of Kraków is not linked. (hint: Seniorate Province). The Rambling Man (talk) 08:09, 17 March 2018 (UTC) " Soviet Russia" is piped to a redirect. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:13, 17 March 2018 (UTC) Vanessa Williams - Filmography unreferenced. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:39, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Errors in the current or next Did you know...[edit] DYK current[edit] "of Berea sandstone" this is linked to "Berea Sandstone". Why is the s here decapitalised? The Rambling Man (talk) 08:59, 17 March 2018 (UTC) Um. That looks wrong to me. The capitalised "Berea Sandstone" article is a formation of sandstone, not a type of sandstone. If I'm reading it right, the hook should be "of stone from Berea Sandstone", shouldn't it? Black Kite (talk) 10:28, 17 March 2018 (UTC) DYK next[edit]

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Laughter[edit] DYK ... that laughter, a signal of amusement, helps us cope with stress? – Thanks for the sagacious advice re dealing with life's little crises. Sca (talk) 15:54, 11 March 2018 (UTC) Well, after I used "amused" once too much in an edit summary in 2016, and keep being reminded of that mistake again and again, I smiled ;) - I took care not to review the article. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:00, 11 March 2018 (UTC)  • LAUGHTER, n. An interior convulsion, producing a distortion of the features and accompanied by inarticulate noises. It is infectious and, though intermittent, incurable. — Ambrose Bierce – Sca (talk) 16:21, 11 March 2018 (UTC) We were very much amused by it. The Royal C (talk) 11:43, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Foul Language[edit] article is off the main page. Discussion of the use of the word "fuck" at Wikipedia can happen on other, more relevent venues. --Jayron32 23:32, 14 March 2018 (UTC) The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. I'm here to register my puzzlement as to why Wikipedia is okay with "fuck" appearing so often on the main page. I understand that this sort of language is commonplace in The New Yorker and other publications, but those publications have policies for foul language that are maintained by professional editors who have a good idea of who their audience is, and how any particular language usage fits the image and needs of the publication. For Wikipedia's front page to say that a tv show episode's choice of setting is a "fuck you" to some demographic is entirely unnecessary and displays Wikipedia's amateur editorial attainment. Cellodont (talk) 18:23, 13 March 2018 (UTC)cellodont Wikipedia isn't censored and since the "fuck you" is a direct quote from the show's creator, it's not gratuitous. And Wikipedia does in fact have "policies for foul language that are maintained by ... editors who have a good idea of who their audience is, and how any particular language usage fits the image and needs of the publication" (see WP:NOTCENSORED). freshacconci (✉) 18:46, 13 March 2018 (UTC) There is an essay on this subject, Wikipedia:NOTCENSORED and the Main Page, which I think is worth quoting here - "While having the word in a neutral manner that is relevant is unlikely to cause a massive uproar, using the word deliberately in an immature manner in an attempt to be funny will." The example today definitely falls into the first category.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 18:57, 13 March 2018 (UTC) It is just a word. Any 4th grader would know worse words. Wikipedia is not censored and anything can appear on the main page. And often content will, or at least could, offend someone from somewhere in some demographic. And what image does Wikipedia even have in regards to editorializing? But anyway, i do agree that the DYK hook is awful. Not because of the 'foul language' though. (talk) 18:57, 13 March 2018 (UTC) I mean what next? Will someone complain about a picture of Uranus... Sorry, i could not resist that one... (talk) 19:01, 13 March 2018 (UTC) It's been a good and polite conversation, and thanks. I've learned that only "censorship" can keep "fuck" off the front page of Wikipedia, and that "Black Mirror" has achieved nothing more interesting for the purposes of today's Wikipedia front page than its insulting send off to some, presumably, anti-American demographic. Another comment points out that the use in this case is "neutral," "relevant," and not "immature;" I entirely disagree. Also, it comes as (good?) news that all forth graders know/use the word "fuck" (don't remember that one myself, but hey...), and that Wikipedia doesn't expect to avoid offending "someone, from somewhere, in some demographic." Gee, I've always found myself to be utterly average, so now I know that I'm actually very obscure and unusual. Cool. Cellodont (talk) 19:47, 13 March 2018 (UTC)cellodont Oh give it a rest. No ones goal is to offend anyone. But when you have people from many different places and backgrounds view it, someone is most likely to be offended by something specific to their cultural background which is perfectly fine with anyone else. And in what dream world do you live where 10 year olds are not able to curse like sailors? The only one really acting immature right now is you with your passive agressiveness. But we each make our choices i guess. Have a good evening anyway. (talk) 19:56, 13 March 2018 (UTC) The question has been asked and answered, whether or not the OP found the answer satisfactory. I suggest that the IP (seemingly emerging only to engage in this discussion) drop the stick rather than resort to insults, which are clearly prohibited by policy. General Ization Talk 20:03, 13 March 2018 (UTC) Oh yes i'm an SPA only here to argue with someone on main page talk, not that my IP changes every day. Clearly i am here only to make trouble...(obviously sarcasm) But i guess calling someone an SPA is not an attack, right? Or not assuming good faith is alright? Pot meet kettle. But one thing you said i do agree with. And that is leaving this discussion be as there is no arguing about it anyway. Things are as they are and will stay that way until it changes, lol. (talk) 20:21, 13 March 2018 (UTC) I'm glad you're satisfied, Cellodont, but I do need to point out this: in WP:NOTCENSORED -- which is not an essay but policy ("a widely accepted standard that all editors should normally follow") -- it states "Wikipedia may contain content that some readers consider objectionable or offensive‍—‌even exceedingly so. Attempting to ensure that articles and images will be acceptable to all readers, or will adhere to general social or religious norms, is incompatible with the purposes of an encyclopedia." I believe the main issue in this policy is that it is impossible to not be offensive as someone somewhere will find something offensive. The best analogy is to consider what was offensive in the 19th century in Western culture (for example The Kiss a film from 1896) and what is accepted now. Who is to say that the word "fuck" is offensive? It may be to you but not to someone else. Is it Wikipedia's job to police language? The safest, most neutral approach is a reasoned no censorship policy, with the usual exceptions. Wikipedia:Offensive material is a guideline that covers this very well, stating in part, "Material that could be considered vulgar, obscene or offensive should not be included unless it is treated in an encyclopedic manner." In the end, we can only go by a standard that understands that what is offensive to one person is not offensive to another and we cannot accommodate all possible positions of what offends. freshacconci (✉) 20:12, 13 March 2018 (UTC) Personally, I was more offended by the lack of attribution for the quote, which runs afoul of the MOS point that states "Quotation should be used, with attribution, to present emotive opinions that cannot be expressed in Wikipedia's own voice." It should really be worded like "that according to writer Charlie Brooker, the Black Mirror episode "San Junipero" was set in California as a "fuck you" to people complaining that the show would become Americanised?" The Wicked Twisted Road (talk) 20:58, 13 March 2018 (UTC) I've fixed that, though it's only on the MP for a few more hours anyway. Black Kite (talk) 21:09, 13 March 2018 (UTC) Thanks. The Wicked Twisted Road (talk) 21:49, 13 March 2018 (UTC) Personally, I'm more offended by children being shot to death on a regular basis because gun law enables it. But instead all we get here are complaints over the odd "bad word". How fucked up is that? The Rambling Man (talk) 21:07, 13 March 2018 (UTC) If no one ever complains, then no one ever knows. The front page doesn't need to offend anyone for the sake of this reference, especially since it could have been worded differently and served the same purpose. Is it true, by the way, that this kind of complaint is "all we get here?" Good. Under that assumption, you can save us time and aggravation, editors, by leaving this junk out. Cellodont (talk) 21:39, 13 March 2018 (UTC)Cellodont So you chose to basically ignore what people have said here and refused to read the links provided and maintain that your sense of propriety represents what is normal and average: what was written was clearly not meant to offend people for the sake of offending people and it's bad faith to assume antagonism on the part of the editors involved. freshacconci (✉) 23:40, 13 March 2018 (UTC) There are some words and topics which it is obvious beforehand are likely to cause much discussion of the 'what is Wikipedia coming to (and/or I don't wish to read this during work time while having a drink and/or crumbly foodstuff)' - and until WP has Main Pages for 'work and public space safe' and 'more wide ranging and prepare to be surprised' they will occasionally 'escape on to the Main Page.' A balance has to be made between showing the diversity of the universe and people's 'activities and viewpoints' and allowing for the diverse range of WP readers' tastes as to acceptability and reading environments (and whether, if there are never any complaints, whether WP is doing it right). Jackiespeel (talk) 11:05, 14 March 2018 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Recent deaths[edit] I know it's pretty full there already, but IMO Stephen Hawking should be added, he was the only person who ever played itself on Star Trek - and also a famous astrophysicist who helped making complex physics a mainstream understandable phenomenon with his Short History of Time. --Constructor 10:19, 14 March 2018 (UTC) His death heads "In the news". I don't think he also needs to be mentioned in "Recent deaths". —Bruce1eetalk 10:25, 14 March 2018 (UTC) There have always been complaints about the confusion of the ITN template, specifically the top-most story not relating to the image, but it's pretty hard to miss the blurb and image that Stephen Hawking currently (and rightly) has up there.--WaltCip (talk) 10:56, 14 March 2018 (UTC) @Conspiration: I think you mean A Brief History of Time. Perhaps you were confusing it with A Short History of Nearly Everything, which is also well worth reading but quite different. Sorry, not a native English speaker, I have that book in German. That is what I meant. And yes, I didn't see the "In the news". Please close the discussion here then, I apologize for my oversight. --Constructor 14:08, 14 March 2018 (UTC) (Incidentally, your signature is a little confusing, as it gives the impression that you are an editor called Constructor. That would appear to be someone else, although not registered on the English Wikipedia.) (talk) 11:17, 14 March 2018 (UTC) Wie, bitte? – Sca (talk) 13:35, 14 March 2018 (UTC) Hmm, used it for ten years without complaints. --Constructor 14:09, 14 March 2018 (UTC) Okay, changed it to avoid confusion. Apologies! --Conspiration 14:11, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Holy grail of waterfalls?[edit] Catlin Brook article shows no "holy grail" waterfalls or watershed. Sorry I got this mixed up with another article. --2600:6C48:7006:200:D84D:5A80:173:901D (talk) 03:37, 15 March 2018 (UTC) It's right there in the "Geography and geology" section. Third paragraph, second sentence: "These falls have been described in Jeff Mitchell's book Hiking the Endless Mountains as the "holy grail" of Pennsylvania waterfalls." --Khajidha (talk) 12:24, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

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