Contents 1 Old comments 2 New "Mid-City Los Angeles" article 3 Greater LA 4 what is the neutrality issue? 5 Arranging images 6 Map request 7 Flower District 8 Links - List 9 Rename the article to just "Districts and neighborhoods of Los Angeles" 10 Arrangement of neighborhoods and districts 11 Size of the San Fernando Valley 12 City Council Districts 13 Use Mapping L.A. as reliable source? 14 Westlake 15 Alphabetize? 16 Leads in articles about Los Angeles neighborhoods 16.1 Objection: only highlighting percentage of whites is ethnic or racial bias 16.2 Defense: (Insert here main argument for keeping this practice) 16.3 Objection: focus on population statistics makes a lead seem like an investment brochure 16.4 Defense: (Insert here main argument for keeping this practice) 16.5 Proposal (number if there are several) 17 Neutral notification of discussion at Talk:Eastside Los Angeles 18 Wilshire Park 18.1 Complaint 18.2 Merger proposal 18.3 Discussion—Wilshire Park, Los Angeles 19 Assessment comment 20 External links modified


Old comments[edit] Shouldn't Silver Lake and Sunset Junction be under Hollywood Area not Rampart Area? Well thats somewhat subjective, although the Hollywood border is well east of Sunset/Hollywood boulevard split most would place the border with East Hollywood at that intersection. If the gentrification keeps up the northern parts of Rampart can be renamed New Westside. Rampart Area generally refers to areas within the Rampart Division of the LAPD. Silver Lake is in the Northeast Division, not the Rampart Division. nobodynose 20:55, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC) I tend to agree with "nobodynose". The term "Rampart Area" in Los Angeles is exclusively associated with the Rampart Division of the LAPD, and areas outside the Rampart Division are not considered part of the Rampart Area.


New "Mid-City Los Angeles" article[edit] I'm starting an article, Mid-City Los Angeles, to describe the area of the city bounded by La Cienega, Melrose, Western, and the Santa Monica Freeway. --Slightlyslack 09:56, 27 July 2005 (UTC) If the name is not strictly backed by verifiable sources becareful because there are people out there that may just delete it, and i'm not referring to me. --Daniel Romero Cruz 19:17, 30 August 2006 (UTC)


Greater LA[edit] This would be more helpful if it covered not just the LA city limits, but LA county. City vs. district vs. neighborhood matters very little to most people, and it seems odd not to include things like Burbank or Pasadena. It's a tricky issue. We struggle a lot with deciding how to fit articles and categories into the L.A. city/L.A. county/L.A. region, and vice versa. In this instance, Los Angeles County, California has a comprehensive list of cities and unincorporated places in the county, and is linked from this article, but it does not include districts of cities in the county. I suppose we can do a better job of organizing and interlinking the various lists of places. We might also create some kind of huge all-inclusive L.A. County places list, with both cities and their neighborhoods, CDPs, real estate names ("Beverly Hills Post Office"), etc. It'd be dull reading, but useful as a reference. The information does not change quickly. -Will Beback 09:16, 28 January 2006 (UTC) The information is also available in the categories. Category:Los Angeles County communities covers everything. -Will Beback 09:18, 28 January 2006 (UTC)


what is the neutrality issue?[edit] I'm not seeing the discussion that goes with the NPOV tag? Lisamh 18:32, 13 September 2006 (UTC) I don't see the race/ethnicity section as being biased or anything, though the language could be more professional/encyclopedic. Maybe it needs to acknowledge Jewish presence? Haonhien 08:31, 28 September 2006 (UTC) I see the bias, it focuses on racial stereotypes instead of what is the reality of the city. --Daniel Romero Cruz 00:17, 29 September 2006 (UTC)


Arranging images[edit] Can someone help clean up the orders of images so they don't "bleed" into other neighborhoods? Tagging is pain in the ass. ~~


Map request[edit] It would help a lot to have a map showing at least approximate neighborhood boundaries, and other major features. -- Beland 01:46, 9 December 2006 (UTC) I found a great one at the Library of Texas collection, a little old though, but gives you the general idea. There is also a highway map on commons --Astrokey44 03:03, 27 January 2007 (UTC) Unfortunately that map doesn't show a single district or neighborhood of the city of Los Angeles. -Will Beback · † · 03:13, 27 January 2007 (UTC) I had no idea there was map request for this page, anyways I created this map but when i upload it the quality of it suffers immensely. I have tried to upload 2 versions, one with names and one without. The one with no names acquires black rectangles at certain places and the one with names has the names distorted. So far this is a rough map and am hoping that we can improve the quality and get rid of the glitches. Jorobeq 22:03, 26 April 2007 (UTC) Ok, ive created and uploaded a new map. If you have any suggestion, criticisms, etc, please let me know. Jorobeq 22:04, 28 April 2007 (UTC) It would also help if the map wasn't from 1970. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.128.25.110 (talk) 03:48, 10 June 2008 (UTC) There is a map here, but it includes more than just the city neighborhoods. GeorgeLouis (talk) 16:16, 16 July 2013 (UTC)


Flower District[edit] I added the Flower District reference to the list of neighborhood areas. Am unskilled in Wiki and asking for others to add info re: the various flower market major locations, thanks.- xibee —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xibee (talk • contribs) 19:09, 8 May 2009 (UTC)


Links - List[edit] Hidden as long, unreferenced list. Click to show. Angeles Mesa Angelino Hgts Arleta Arlington Heights, Los Angeles Arlington Park, Los Angeles Artist District* Arts District, Los Angeles Athens on the Hill Atwater Village, Los Angeles Baldwin Hills, Los Angeles Baldwin Hills Estates Baldwin Village, Los Angeles Baldwin Vista, Los Angeles Bel Air, Los Angeles Beverlywood, Los Angeles Boyle Heights, Los Angeles Brentwood, Los Angeles Brentwood Glen, Los Angeles Brentwood Village, ? redirects to Brentwood, Los Angeles Broadway Square Broadway Theater District Brookside, Los Angeles, California** Cahuenga Pass Cameo Plaza Canoga Park Canterbury Knolls Carthay Circle Carthay Square Central City Century City Century Cove Century Palms Chatsworth Chesterfield Square Cheviot Hills Chinatown Civic Center Country Club Park Crenshaw District Crenshaw Manor Crestview Cypress Park Del Rey Downtown Center** Downtown Industrial District Eagle Rock Echo Park El Sereno Elysian Valley Encino Fairfax Village Fashion District Franklin Hills Franklin Village** Furniture & Decorative Arts District Gallery Row Garvanza Glassell Park Granada Hills Green Meadows, Los Angeles, California Hancock Park Happy Valley Harbor City Harbor Gateway Hermon Highland Park Hillside Village** Historic Core District Historic Downtown Historic Filipinotown Hollywood Hollywood Heights Hyde Park Jefferson Park Jewelry District King Estates Koreatown La Cienega Heights** La Tuna Canyon Larchmont Village Lake Balboa Lake View Terrace Larchmont Village Leimert Park Lincoln Heights**** Lincoln Hts**** Little Armenia Little Ethiopia Little Tokyo Los Feliz Los Feliz Village Magnolia Square Manchester Square Mar Vista Mariachi Plaza Marina Peninsula Melrose Hill Mid-City Miracle Mile Miracle Mile District Mission Hills Montecito Heights Monterey Hills Morningside Circle Mount Angelus Mt. Washington Museum Row on the Miracle Mile*** NoHo Arts District North Hills Northridge North University Park North Village Westwood Old Bank District Pacoima Palms, Los Angeles, California Panorama City Park Mile Parkside Manor Pico – Union Playa Del Rey Rancho Park Reseda Rose Hills Sherman Oaks Silver Lake Solano Canyon South Carthay South Los Angeles Studio City St. Andrews Square Sun Valley Sunland Sylmar Tarzana Tarzana Safari Walk Thai Town Toluca Lake Toluca Terrace Toluca Woods Toy District Tujunga University Expo Park West University Hills Valley Glen Valley Village Van Nuys Venice Vermont Knolls Vermont Vista Village Green Virgil Village Watts West Adams West Adams Heights** West Hills West Park Terrace West Toluca Lake Westwood Village Westchester Westdale Westside Village Wilmington Wilshire Center Wilshire Park Windsor Square Windsor Village Winnetka Woodland Hills * Sign exists, though the community has been clarified as the “Arts District” ** Not on original list of June 2005. *** Green; joint with LA County **** Lincoln Heights has two version of the sign, but it’s still one community. Officially designated communities where the signs are missing, cannot be found (have yet to be photographed), or have yet to be installed:]] Arroyo View Estates North Hollywoood Pacific Palisades, Los Angeles San Pedro, Los Angeles, California Shadow Hills Westwood Source: http://lacitynerd.blogspot.com/2007/05/officially-designated-communities-of.html jengod 15:46, 14 May 2007 (UTC) Franklin Village should be included in the main article. ThreeRocks (talk) 17:14, 8 January 2018 (UTC)


Rename the article to just "Districts and neighborhoods of Los Angeles"[edit] Renaming the article to "Districts and neighborhoods of Los Angeles" is more appropriate than having an article devoted to a list. The article pretty much grew into an encyclopedic review of Los Angeles communities. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Infernalfox (talk • contribs) 23:59, 27 January 2009 (UTC) Agree. But needs cleaning up. Ucla90024 (talk) 00:10, 28 January 2009 (UTC)


Arrangement of neighborhoods and districts[edit] It says in the article "the city (of L.A.) has not officially defined the boundaries of those communities". If so, which criteria follows the mentioning of neighborhoods and their arrangement to larger city areas in this article? I don't want to be too critical about this, but I'm just interested and it seems to me, that this is not totally clarified in the text. --Gamgee (talk) 11:36, 24 May 2010 (UTC)


Size of the San Fernando Valley[edit] The San Fernando Valley section of this article says, "It comprises about forty percent of the city's area and population." If you go to the San Fernando Valley article, it says, "More than half of the land area of the city of Los Angeles lies within the San Fernando Valley." Obviously both statements can't be true. Just from looking at a map I'm inclined to believe the second statement, but I'm not going to change the article just based on that. Hopefully someone knows where to find a reliable source for this. Thatotherperson (talk/contribs) 21:51, 17 April 2011 (UTC) You're comparing apples and oranges. The first state how much of the Valley comprises LA proper; the second states how much of the Valley is within LA. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Infernalfox (talk • contribs) 22:34, 4 May 2011 (UTC) What? The second statement is clearly talking about how much of Los Angeles is within the Valley, not how much of the Valley is in L.A. I think you read it backwards. Thatotherperson (talk/contribs) 21:59, 5 May 2011 (UTC) I finally bothered to look it up, or rather I calculated it myself using the land area numbers from this article and this web page. Turns out, 47.9% of Los Angeles is in the San Fernando Valley. I'll fix both pages. Thatotherperson (talk/contribs) 13:12, 12 July 2011 (UTC)


City Council Districts[edit] I find this entry a mess. I came here to rapidly determine in which city counsel district I reside in order to navigate to my incumbent councilman's website. For those growing numbers of us who rely heavily on Wiki, this title is an obvious starting point for such a search. However, the term "district" is used so offhand here that it isn't even clear if the red boundary lines on the map view "larger map" represent Los Angeles' chartered governmental districts, zip codes, area code regions or what. The left column list provides traditional names, but doesn't indicate each district's official number designation. A visitor might even want to know locate "the 6th District" sooner than discover its traditional name. Where is this information? Can anybody look at that map and easily point out, say, the 4th District? After all, the title of this entry includes the keyword "districts." Lastly, it would be a great asset to include links to each District's official website, assuming incumbents don't change them... Or, if so, a search function script could work in the background to auto-search for the current site's URL and reset the link to it. Mykstor (talk) 17:53, 3 August 2011 (UTC) If you want information on city council districts, your best bet would be to look for the official website of the Los Angeles City Council. The word "district" can refer to more than just official voting districts, and this article is about areas of Los Angeles that have their own names. By the way, that map is from 1970 and the red lines are freeways. Thatotherperson (talk/contribs) 12:44, 4 August 2011 (UTC) I looked it up for you. Here's the official website of the City of Los Angeles (link) and here's the City Council section (link). The first link has a box called "Neighborhood Resources" where you can type in your address to find out what Council District you live in. The second link has contact information and links to boundary maps. Thatotherperson (talk/contribs) 12:57, 4 August 2011 (UTC) The article has been refashioned since the above was written. GeorgeLouis (talk) 16:25, 16 July 2013 (UTC)


Use Mapping L.A. as reliable source?[edit] Serious suggestion: Use the L.A. Times Mapping L.A. pages to define the L.A. City and County neighborhoods within Wikipedia. http://projects.latimes.com/mapping-la/neighborhoods/. I would be glad to start the makeover (through article rewrites and redireccts) if this procedure gains consensus here or elsewhere. Yours, GeorgeLouis (talk) 19:14, 29 December 2012 (UTC) Support—I think that this is an excellent idea. It would be good to have an agreed-on single standard for neighborhood boundaries and the LAT understands the issues and takes them seriously. I once had someone tell me on a talk page that West Los Angeles started at Alvarado Street, which is not OK. I will be happy to follow your lead and help out with such a makeover.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 19:19, 29 December 2012 (UTC) Is there any geographic region you would prefer to begin with? I have already done Sunland-Tujunga, Los Angeles and Hyde Park, Los Angeles, although there is great room for improvement in both those articles. GeorgeLouis (talk) 19:28, 29 December 2012 (UTC) None in particular. What exactly did you do to those articles using mapping LA? I couldn't quite sort it out from the page history.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 22:58, 29 December 2012 (UTC) question: Are there alternatives to this website? The Los Angeles Times is a reliable source, but are there other definitions out there to consider? For instance does Los Angeles County have legal definitions, or the City of Los Angeles, or other legal entities?--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 21:46, 9 January 2013 (UTC) Cities are defined by their boundaries, so there are many reliable sources for determining just where the city limits lie. Communities, neighborhoods, home-owning areas, etc., within the city of L.A. (or within the county for that matter) don't have defined boundaries. That's why the L.A. Times decided to do its own research and issue its own guidelines, which I suppose all its reporters and editors follow now. GeorgeLouis (talk) 03:38, 11 April 2013 (UTC) No support. Thomas Guide has its own districting and the official visitors map maker has its own. When LA Times given information of its errors, Doug Smith (Jack Smith's son) will not make the changes. Ucla90024 (talk) 22:01, 9 January 2013 (UTC) The LAT list was developed with a great deal of input from all kinds of people, including local historians and neighborhood councils. Not everybody was satisifed, but, really, the LAT list is now the de facto list of city and county neighborhoods. GeorgeLouis (talk) 16:17, 4 March 2013 (UTC) Hmm. This is interesting [1] But the main link above says it is not vetted with local input yet outside the City. Alanscottwalker (talk) 16:19, 7 April 2013 (UTC) I am not sure what Alanscottwalker means by "the main link above." GeorgeLouis (talk) 03:38, 11 April 2013 (UTC) The first link in this section, which is the main page of the suggested reference (viz, "Now we ex­pand that con­ver­sa­tion to the en­tire county.") -- Alanscottwalker (talk) 09:55, 11 April 2013 (UTC) Well, back to the original purpose of this thread: I think that Mapping L.A. can be used as a reliable source, but there could be other sources as well, like the Thomas Guide, although Thomas does not give community boundaries. What are not reliable sources are homeowners' association blogs and other less-than-reliable sources. Yours, GeorgeLouis (talk) 01:43, 12 April 2013 (UTC)


Westlake[edit] MacArthur Park (formerly Westlake Park) is a park and is located within the Westlake district. It is not a district. And actually Pico Union is located within Westlake district, same as Temple-Beaudry district. All noted in the Westlake gneral plan. Unfortunately people seem to know better, especially those who are not living in Los Angeles. Ucla90024 (talk) 02:27, 15 April 2013 (UTC) I am not sure what you are suggesting be done. ???? GeorgeLouis (talk) 05:55, 15 April 2013 (UTC) I reverted the addition of MacArthur Park to the list because it is neither a neighborhood nor a district. GeorgeLouis (talk) 01:18, 16 April 2013 (UTC) MacArthur Park was not an addition, it was merged into Westlake where it belongs since MacArthur Park was Westlake Park. How about Elysian Heights, Elysian Park, Solano Canyon, and Elysian Valley? Aren't all the same? Then there is Edendale, which is now part of Echo Park. Ucla90024 (talk) 01:44, 16 April 2013 (UTC) This list has a lot of unsourced text in it. I propose to challenge and remove such text in 30 days; that is, on or after May 19, 2013. Yours, GeorgeLouis (talk) 05:32, 20 April 2013 (UTC)


Alphabetize?[edit] I would like to alphabetize this list to make it easier for people to find any given neighborhood on it? Does anybody object? GeorgeLouis (talk) 02:25, 27 May 2013 (UTC) That would be good. I was going to do some of that earlier today when it popped up on my watchlist, but I got so freaked out over some of the new additions that I couldn't deal with it and had to send something to AfD stat.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 02:32, 27 May 2013 (UTC) For what it's worth: Who needs such a bare-bones list? Isn't that what categories are for? --Gamgee (talk) 11:49, 8 October 2013 (UTC) You are correct. There are way too many districts and neighborhoods, small and big. People just throw out names. Ucla90024 (talk) 14:15, 8 October 2013 (UTC) I meant to kindly ask, what's the benefit of such an article compared to Category:Neighborhoods in Los Angeles, California? Besides, if it says List of districts and neighborhoods of Los Angeles, why include other areas in Los Angeles County? --Gamgee (talk) 07:12, 9 October 2013 (UTC) Thanks for asking. That means somebody is paying attention. Well, for one thing, (1) this extant list should have WP:Sources for everything that is on it. Categories don't have that distinction. For another, (2) I believe that to find a category, the reader has to type "Category:" in the search box, which most people don't know about. In fact, having been editing Los Angeles articles for, oh, six years or thereabouts, this is the first time I have ever been aware of such a description of L.A. neighborhoods. As for "Other areas in Los Angeles County," (3), yes, you are correct, and that should properly be under the "See also" section, which I will do immediately on posting this. GeorgeLouis (talk) 02:23, 12 October 2013 (UTC)


Leads in articles about Los Angeles neighborhoods[edit] The following discussion is an archived record of a request for comment. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion. A summary of the conclusions reached follows. The result of this discussion was that the lead section of these articles should follow the approach set out in MOS:LEAD, which is that lead should summarise the main points of the article, and that emphasis given to material should reflect its relative importance to the subject, according to reliable secondary sources. There was a clear consensus to reject a formulaic approach, and to treat each case on its own merits. That means if the reliable secondary sources emphasise the ethnic or racial composition of a district, then the lead should convey that fact. Otherwise, it belongs in the body of the article. This will mean that in some cases the ethnic composition may feature prominently in the leas, whereas on other cases it may be entirely absent from the lead. (I closed this discussion per a request at WP:AN/RFC. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:22, 7 February 2014 (UTC)) Procedural comment. Two editors expressed concern about the confusing format of this RFC. Their fears that it would impede consensus-formation turned out to be a little pessimistic, but they were right to voice concerns. WP:RFC stresses that those opening an RFC should keep the RfC statement simple and succinct, whereas this opening statement was long and confusing. WP:RFC also includes an example of how to layout an RFC, and it would be helpful if editors tried to follow that proven format. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:33, 7 February 2014 (UTC) There is a difference of opinion concerning the wording of lead sections of articles about Los Angeles neighborhoods. Specifically, there have been objections raised as to how and when it is appropriate to include the ethnic composition of a neighborhood in the lead. On the other hand, there is an opinion that such a description can be a valid part of the introduction. (The reasoning for both opinions is given below in the discussion.) Several neighborhood articles have featured leads that opened the lead with the name of the neighborhood followed by a quantitative description of its population. For example: Century City is a 176-acre (712,000-m2) affluent commercial and residential district in the West Los Angeles region of Los Angeles County, California.[1] The 5,900+ residents make up an older-aged, high-income, 82.5% white, well-educated population. Objection: only highlighting percentage of whites is ethnic or racial bias[edit] An objection was raised by one user of the need for several of these articles to "disproportionately highlight the white population as ethnic or racial bias." On this article as on many, the white population is highlighted in the lead. This action was challenged as ethnic or racial bias because it was argued that this practice unfairly highlighted the white population as the marker for how desirable an area might be or some other improper purpose for an encyclopedia. Moreover, it excluded other racial categories and repeated information already found in the demographics section of an article. The question is what is gained from highlighting whites over another in the lead when it is nothing particularly notable about that area? For example, it was said, that several areas of Los Angeles are known for it being a hub of a particular group, e.g. Sawtelle for Japanese community, Pico-Robertson for Jewish people, Pico-Union for recent latino immigrants or Pacific Palisades for having the highest concentration of white residents in the City of Los Angeles. These practices were not objected to because they were notable characteristics. It is having several articles starting with the lead of % of white people that were objected when they is nothing particularly notable about it other than a just one of several neighborhoods of having a significant number of whites. Defense: (Insert here main argument for keeping this practice)[edit] This proposal is pretty wrong-headed. A lead (or lede) is supposed to serve "as an introduction to the article and a summary of its most important aspects." Whatever is in the article should be summarized, so if the racial composition is included in the article and the essence of that composition is important, then the measurement of that composition should be part of the lead. It cannot be denied that the racial composition of any neighborhood is important to that neighborhood and to the city at large, therefore if the racial characteristics are mentioned in the story (as they should be) then they should also be a part of the lead (so that the reader can quickly grasp exactly what kind of a neighborhood it is). This is not a matter of "good" or "bad," but a simple description of the facts. The same reasoning goes for the rest of the lead: It should sum up the important aspects of the story, no matter what they are. GeorgeLouis (talk) 05:55, 1 January 2014 (UTC) Objection: focus on population statistics makes a lead seem like an investment brochure[edit] An objection was raised by another user of the need for the lead to highlight population statistics as being "the fact that same info is presented immediately below obviates need for repetition -- unless high-end real-estate salesmen are Wikipedia's target audience." The article lead challenged read as: East Hollywood is a densely populated, low-income neighborhood of 78,000+ residents in Central Los Angeles, California. Almost two-thirds of the people living there were born outside the United States and 90% were renters. In 2000 the neighborhood had high percentages of never-married people and of single parents. The objecting user changed the lead to: East Hollywood is a densely populated neighborhood of 78,000+ residents in the central region of Los Angeles, California. It is notable for being the site of Los Angeles City College, Barnsdall Park and a hospital district. There are seven public and five private schools, as well as a branch of the Los Angeles Public Library and three hospitals. This action was challenged because the user believed that highlighting the foreign born population and the renters in the lead was improper for an encyclopedia article because it highlighted unfairly those pieces of information most useful for real estate investment purposes at the cost of more important and more telling features of the neighborhood such as landmarks, sights, and notable institutions. The question is should Wikipedia highlight population statistics, particularly those most suited for investment purposes, as part of a lead at the cost of leaving out other non-quantifiable characteristics of a neighborhood? Are the characters for a neighborhood have a renter base or a foreign born population more important than its sights, landmarks and notable institutions? Defense: (Insert here main argument for keeping this practice)[edit] The population characteristics are the most important part of a neighborhood. Without the people liviing there, well, there is really no neighborhood, is there? Yours, GeorgeLouis (talk) 05:55, 1 January 2014 (UTC) Proposal (number if there are several)[edit] A neighborhood article lead should begin with a brief introduction of the neighborhood highlighting only those most notable features for which a neighborhood is known in a multi-faceted sense not just population characteristics (top 3 or so features). What is a neighborhood most notable for? This can be answered by pulling from newspaper articles or tour guides. While it should have a source, the information in the lead should really come from the information described below the lead in the article itself. Moreover, it should not simply highlight an ethnic group being the majority in an area but should only highlight an ethnic group if that ethnic group makes the area obviously notable. Thus, the article should take a multi-faceted approach in defining what a neighborhood is: not only its population but its sights, landmarks, points of reference and unique non-quantifiable characteristics. And, it should focus only on the most notable or obvious features in the lead. Examples: NOT East Hollywood is a densely populated, low-income neighborhood of 78,000+ residents in Central Los Angeles, California. Almost two-thirds of the people living there were born outside the United States and 90% were renters. In 2000 the neighborhood had high percentages of never-married people and of single parents. BUT East Hollywood is a densely populated neighborhood of 78,000+ residents in the central region of Los Angeles, California. It is notable for being the site of Los Angeles City College, Barnsdall Park and a hospital district. There are seven public and five private schools, as well as a branch of the Los Angeles Public Library and three hospitals. NOT Century City is a 176-acre (712,000-m2) affluent commercial and residential district in the West Los Angeles region of Los Angeles County, California.[1] The 5,900+ residents make up an older-aged, high-income, 82.5% white, well-educated population. BUT Century City is a 176-acre (712,000-m2) affluent commercial and residential district in the West Los Angeles region of Los Angeles County, California.[1] It is notable for being the home of several skyscrapers defining the westside skyline and a business hub for the Westside including offices of several movie pictures studios, and banks. It is also home to a Westfields mall and adjoining residential neighborhood. NOT Pico-Union is a densely populated, low-income, youthful, 85.4% Latino, mostly immigrant neighborhood in Central Los Angeles, California. Historic in character and undergoing a renewal program, the neighborhood is home to two high schools and seven other schools, as well as a branch public library. It is the site of the long-established private Angelus-Rosedale Cemetery. BUT Pico-Union is a densely populated, low-income, mostly youthful Latino immigrant neighborhood in Central Los Angeles. Historic in character and undergoing a renewal program, the neighborhood is home to two high schools and seven other schools, as well as a branch public library. It is the site of the long-established private Angelus-Rosedale Cemetery. This Request for Comment aims for a full discussion of what should go into the lead section of a Wikipedia article about Los Angeles neighborhoods; for example, eschewing any attempt to show how "desirable" an area is for visiting/investing/home purchasing purposes, etc. Therefore, please state your opinions below in a free-form style, without using the oppose or support labels. This is a discussion, and not a vote. The above was a joint RFC by User:Daniel E. Romero and User:GeorgeLouis. per WP:LEAD - the lead should present the main concepts in the article, which should in turn proportionately reflect the mainstream of the academic publishings about the subject. (and this format of an RfC is pretty much ensured to be a disaster in determining what the consensus of the community is and being able to apply it. - i pity the admin tasked with closing it.) -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 02:57, 1 January 2014 (UTC) I agree with TRPOD, this format is crazy. Also i concur per WP:LEAD. A good example would be Chinatown, Liverpool, where the demographics are significant to the subject. {Cesdeva (talk) 00:39, 2 January 2014 (UTC)} I agree with TRPOD and Cesdeva, the lead of each article should in principle turn on the contents of the main body of the article, which in turn should turn on what the best reliable sources on the balance say about the subject of the article. If sources tend to discuss the ethnic makeup of a certain part of town, then let's mention that. I wrote "in principle" above to allow for a case where sources charateristically discuss LA overall in terms of the ethnic makeup of its different parts, in which case it could be decided to disclose the makeup of each part, but I'm not aware of this being a practice in sources. Cheers, --Dailycare (talk) 21:01, 5 January 2014 (UTC) I agree with TRPoD and others above, whom I take to be saying that the lead should reflect the content of the article which should be determined by the sources, and that therefore these decisions should be made on a per article basis. If racial composition is to be discussed at length it should be discussed at length in sources. E.g. probably mention racial breakdown for Koreatown, not so much for East Hollywood. Hancock Park, now, might keep its statement about how many white people are there, but only after some material is added to the body of the article about the restrictive covenants and cross-burnings that characterize the history of the place and the effects of that history that are still visible in the demographics (this is all sourceable, obviously).— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 16:36, 31 January 2014 (UTC) Comment; I agree with the line of reasoning per GeorgeLouis above. Also: the population characteristics are important. If the neighborhood is un-notable for anything else (say, in the case of a "bedroom community"), we still have the population and demographics, and that may well be all that can be summarized into the Lead. I also think, however, that if there are other notable aspects to the neighborhood/community (such as in the example above) they should be mentioned also, per Lede; there is room for both. One shouldn't take precedence over the other, as long as: the items mentioned are either notable on their own (in which case they should have their own article, or, at minimum, be red linked) or of such import to the neighborhood that reliable sourcing can clearly verify them as such. Regards; GenQuest "Talk to Me" 16:40, 31 January 2014 (UTC) The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion.


Neutral notification of discussion at Talk:Eastside Los Angeles[edit] About where the East side starts. Perhaps watchers of this page have an opinion?— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 00:51, 9 February 2014 (UTC) To me, it's the LA River and Pasadena Fwy. Ucla90024 (talk) 03:09, 9 February 2014 (UTC) The conversation is on the article talk page here: Talk:Eastside_Los_Angeles#New_definition_of_East_Side.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 03:22, 9 February 2014 (UTC)


Wilshire Park[edit] The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows. Current authors realise they need to improve the article (lack of references, etc.) and have asked (OTRS 2016032010006501) for it to be moved to Draft for improving and review. Ronhjones  (Talk) 22:57, 22 March 2016 (UTC) Complaint[edit] The Wilshire Park page has been redirected to Koreatown. All attempts to restore the page have been suppressed by the editor of the Ktown page, with warring and a false complaint about "conflict of interest." The editor has been bullying and threatening anyone who tries to correct this. A new page has been started, immediately tagged by this editor for "speedy deletion." This is suppression. And worse, this is the second time this has occurred - it started in 2010 with the passage of City Council f ile 90-0606, which established the boundaries for Koreatown after strong public protest. Mapping LA's inexplicable and factually unsubstantiated definition of Koreatown has encouraged this kind cyber war. Denying Wilshire Park an identity on Wikipedia is wrong. We are not in Koreatown - we are half a mile from Koreatown with a neighborhood between us and the established boundary. Until Koretown Los Angeles changes its behavior, I would suggest that both Wilshire Park AND Koreatown be removed from this list, since both are now factually incorrect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WayBackHomes (talk • contribs) 16:43, 21 March 2016 (UTC) WayBackHomes (talk) 16:45, 21 March 2016 (UTC) We have sources attesting to the fact that these areas have been referred to as neighborhoods, or at least listed on a map along with other neighborhoods, so both should remain on this list, with links to the pages wherein they are discussed. There are other WP:Reliable sources besides the Los Angeles Times. For those who object to the boundaries as outlined by the Times, you can try to get your side reported in neighborhood newspapers or responsible websites like http://www.laobserved.com/. Once done, Wikipedia then has a source which can easily be used. Editors cannot expect to successfully fight their political battles within the pages of Wikipedia, which is an encyclopedia, not a court of law. Sincerely, BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 22:42, 21 March 2016 (UTC) I also refer editors to Wikipedia:Places of local interest, wherein it is recommended that places that don't have enough WP:Reliable sources for their own article be merged to a larger one. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 02:17, 22 March 2016 (UTC) Merger proposal[edit] Because of an objection, I have unmerged the two articles referred to in the section above, so I now propose that Wilshire Park, Los Angeles, be merged into Koreatown, Los Angeles. The content in the Wilshire Park article can easily be explained in the context of Koreatown, and the Koreatown article is of such a size that the merging of Wilshire Park into it will not cause any problems as far as article size or undue weight is concerned. Although there is some relevant discussion already on this page (in the section just above), anything new should go below. Thank you. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 15:49, 22 March 2016 (UTC) Discussion—Wilshire Park, Los Angeles[edit] According to Mapping L.A., here, Wilshire Park is part of the Koreatown neighborhood. The extant article on Wilshire Park, Los Angeles, does not have any WP:Secondary sources, which are necessary to show that this small enclave of historic houses is considered WP:Notable by anybody other than those folks who live or own property there. There is simply not enough WP:Reliable sources (so far) to have a stand-alone article on this historic preservation zone. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 17:13, 22 March 2016 (UTC) Oppose — Wilshire Park, Los Angeles is a Los Angeles Historic Preservation Overlay Zone with officially designated boundaries ( preservation.lacity.org: Wilshire Park HPOZ map). The article's content has multiple issues, but its total absence would deprive Category:Los Angeles Historic Preservation Overlay Zones of information about it (preservation.lacity.org: Wilshire Park HPOZ info, including Adopting Ordinance + Preservation Plan links. This link mentions 'The Country Club Park - Wilshire Park - Windsor Village HPOZ Board' which could be a new upmerge article if this one is determined not sufficiently WP:Notable as a stand alone. I have put these and other WP:Reliable sources as references in the article. Category:Koreatown, Los Angeles could be added to the current Category:Wilshire, Los Angeles if also verified as correct boundary−wise, to address the proposed merger concerns. — Look2See1 t a l k → 19:56, 22 March 2016 (UTC) The above discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.


Assessment comment[edit] The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:List of districts and neighborhoods of Los Angeles/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section. This article has potential for a higher rating but there are plenty of unwritten or muddled links and articles and is very sporatic, after some cleaning and added information I will review and reassess the rating. (♠Taifarious1♠) 07:12, 8 December 2007 (UTC) Last edited at 07:12, 8 December 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 22:12, 29 April 2016 (UTC)


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