Old comment[edit] This article is filled with dubious information, misinformation, and what could only be calles special pleading. Hollywood was not named by Whitley. It was named by HH and Daeida Wilcox. The title 'father of Hollywood' does not appear in the Los Angeles Times until Whitley's death except in advertisements for his own company. Since his partners were H.G.Otis and Harry Chandler, the owner and editor of the Times, his self-promotion also seems to have had journalistic supporters. The big problem is the erasure of the Wilcoxes from Hollywood history. Wilcox's 1887 grid map is clearly called Hollywood. Whitley certainly had a role in Hollywood's early history, but not what this article claims. Instead of an area with just farms and gardens, for example, the Hollywood of the Wilcoxes had mansions and other tourist sites.Some of these comments also apply to the Hollywood article, where Whitley's role a la this article is repeated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oxfan (talk • contribs) 23:06, 23 July 2009 (UTC) What grid map are you referring to?` Most people falsely believe that an advertisement publish after Harvey Wilsox's death was the one he recorded in 1887 at the Los Angeles Recorder Office. It is not. The Hollywood Hotel was not built until 1902 and Wilcox died in 1891. In 1891 Hollywood was farm land. Mr. Wilcox did not built any building in Hollywood while he was alive. If you look closely at the map I believe you are referencing to you will see that street names are incorrect and the location of the hotel was not on Wilcox land. The Hollywood Hotel was built on the corner of Prospect Boulevard (currently Hollywood Blvd) and Highland. It was part of the 500 acres that H J Whitley owned. It is sad that an advertisement with incorrect information is considered a legal recorded document when it is not. I hope you will look at the map again and see that what I state is true. It is sad that people are now altering history rather than researching to learn the truth. Then others use their misinformation as a reference and perpetuate the lie. If you go to the Los Angeles Library you can obtain the entire archives of the Los Angels Times. There are numerous articles dating back to the early 1900's. There were also articles in the American historical society book, Hollywood Daily Citizen, and Examiner. William Mulholland's daughter wrote two historical books published by University Press that pertain to HJ Whitley's life and his title as "Father of Hollywood."http://www.thefatherofhollywood.com/media_Room.shtml Hope this information is helpful to you.Whithj (talk) 05:46, 23 June 2010 (UTC)whithj


Sources[edit] It appears that the main source for this article is The father of Hollywood : the true story by Gaelyn Whitley Keith, BookSurge, 2006.[1] BookSurge is what used to be called a "vanity press". Unfortunately, such publications do not meet Wikipedia's standards for references. See WP:SPS. It's OK to leave the book as a "further reading" item, but we should not cite it or depend on it for any material. If the author of the book, apparently related to the subject, gives a worthwhile opinion of the subject then we could use the book as the source for that view. Something like "According to Keith, his grandfather was the most ..." Otherwise it looks like this article will probably have to depend on L.A. Times articles. Those aren't ideal either, since its publisher was another real estate developer and known for mixing his business interests in with the editing of the paper. We should use contemporary L.A. Times sources with a little caution.   Will Beback  talk  02:26, 17 June 2010 (UTC) It is interesting that you question my sources yet I do not see you question anyone else. There are no references provided by anyone else. HJ Whitley is mentioned in many publication during his life time example: Los Angeles from the mountains to the sea: with selected biography ..., Volume 3 By John Steven McGroarty 1921. What references are you using for your information on Hollywood?Whithj (talk) 03:58, 21 June 2010 (UTC)whithj If we're having trouble finding good sources then we limit what we say rather than lowering the standards.   Will Beback  talk  06:32, 7 July 2010 (UTC) I am not having trouble finding good sources. I am old and slow but I know the history of Hollywood. Many of the books today reference a self-published book by a Dr. Palmer. He did not write the book until 1936 and he self-published it. I own a copy of the book. In the front of the book he states that he might have some history wrong and he does. Just because a book is published it does not mean that the publisher has verified the truth in the book. What parts about the history of HJ Whitley are you questioning. Perhaps I can give you sources that will help if I know what you are questioning. Please look at http://www.thefatherofhollywood.com/media_Room.shtml and see the sources. There will be more added as time permits. The book is no longer self-published. It is being picked up by a publisher to be released August 2010. whithj —Preceding unsigned comment added by Whithj (talk • contribs) 06:37, 10 July 2010 (UTC) My daughter was nice enough to take a trip to the Los Angeles Library to get some articles from the Los Angeles Times Archives. I think there are at least 30 so far on http://www.thefatherofhollywood.com/media_Room.shtml. I believe you asked if I needed help. Maybe you could add links to the articles on her website that reference the articles. That would be really helpful to me. All this computer programing is hard at 86. Then people could review the articles to see the history of Hollywood. whithj —Preceding unsigned comment added by Whithj (talk • contribs) 07:11, 10 July 2010 (UTC)


Removal of quote from footnote[edit] A cite now reads: "Death Calls H.J. Whitley. Real Estate Man Known as "Father of Hollywood". Pioneer in Many Southland Developments." Los Angeles Times. June 4, 1931. Retrieved 2008-07-17.  The quote originally included in the footnote is arguably short enough to satisfy fair use provisions. However, given the existence of a notice, "Reproduced with permission of the copyright owner. Further reproduction or distribution is prohibited without permission." which immediately follows the entire text which was reproduced in the quote, plus noting that the claim the footnote supports, does not appears to be an opinion needing an exact quote for contest, or ambiguity of fact, for which an exact quote may provide necessary explanatory power, I have chosen to remove the quote from the footnote.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 23:30, 19 December 2011 (UTC) Retrieved from "https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:H.J._Whitley&oldid=800416050" Categories: Start-Class biography articlesWikiProject Biography articlesStart-Class California articlesUnknown-importance California articlesStart-Class Southern California articlesUnknown-importance Southern California articlesSouthern California task force articlesWikiProject California articlesStart-Class Canada-related articlesLow-importance Canada-related articlesStart-Class Ontario articlesLow-importance Ontario articlesStart-Class Toronto articlesLow-importance Toronto articles


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